Guardian Radio Today - October 7 2025

[00:00:00] Speaker A: This is Guardian Radio 96.9 FM, streaming on guardiantalkradio.com and the Guardian Radio app, Nassau, Bahamas. The views and opinions of the hosts. [00:00:14] Speaker B: And guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the. [00:00:18] Speaker A: Management and staff of Guardian Radio. [00:00:49] Speaker B: And welcome, welcome, welcome to Guardian Radio Today, the October 7th edition of Guardian Radio Today here on 96.9, Guardian Radio. My name is Dr. Cleveland W. Ennis III, also known as Kahun Anku Sara. Today's show, Guardian Radio Today, is being sponsored by Commonwealth Bank, Marco's Pizza, the Cleveland Clinic, Fidelity Bank, Burger King, and Ron's Electric Motors. I pray that you have been having a wonderful day and you had a wonderful weekend. Of course, I'm only, you know, I kind of in the middle of the week, so I don't get that Monday show, you know, but I pray that you all had a wonderful weekend. I got a shout out for. I decided I was gonna catch the bus today, you know what I mean? So my brother OMAR Madari on 15. A big shout out to Madari on 15. 8. And the loud woman was on the bus. She probably off the bus by now, but big respect to her, too. You know what I mean? Yeah, Madaddy. 50 and 8. So listen, we got a show today. On this show to wrap up a conversation that we started to have on Wednesday around Aragonite and, you know, Natural Resources, we had a gentleman that called in, Mr. James Curling. Kermie. He's supposed to call in. He told me he'd call in so you could look out for his call. Just screen the calls. I don't want any other calls except for Mr. Curlin. Whenever he calls in, James Curlin, he said he would call in. And then also, I know C. Allen supposed to jump on the zoom. So we want to see, huh? Tinker here, too, right? Yes, yes, yes. And Dr. Tinker. So Dr. Tinker's already there, right? Yeah. Let me bring in Dr. Tinker right now because he was supposed to be in last week and why my phone issues caught up with me. But my brother. How you doing, man? You there? [00:02:57] Speaker A: Can you hear me? [00:02:58] Speaker B: I could hear you. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Good, man. [00:03:00] Speaker B: How you been, man? [00:03:00] Speaker A: Good, good, good. Been dry compared to some people down there, that's been pretty wet, but been dry. [00:03:06] Speaker B: I know, right? I know, I know. [00:03:07] Speaker A: Is this. [00:03:08] Speaker B: Is this Mr. Curlin calling in? Check, check. Kermie. Yeah, Tinker. So we can get started in just a second. I just want to remind people that October 3rd, Pleasant Village Day. All right? Our homecoming in Mount Pleasant Village. That's the holiday Monday is October 13th, 12 noon till about 10pm and we're gonna be, you know, catching up, rekindling Mount Pleasant Day. We're gonna have booths, we're gonna have games, and most of all, we're gonna have fellowship. And you have many people who came out of Mount Pleasant that are going to be coming back just to show their face and to, you know, make it a memorable day. You know, when I was younger, we would have Mount Pleasant day all night. You know what I mean? And so now that we, the adults, we've decided to help to rekindle it. So my generation and the generation before me, we working together. All right, so October 13th is Mount Pleasant Day. Kermie, Is that James Curler? No. Okay. So, Tinker, how you been, man? [00:04:24] Speaker A: Hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. [00:04:26] Speaker B: That's good. We've been having a lot going. [00:04:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Been observing this flood issue that's been. Not a new issue. It's been around for a long time. So I kind of want to put my. [00:04:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:40] Speaker A: Engineering on to discuss this issue. [00:04:43] Speaker B: So we knew the storm was coming, right. And I saw Ministry, I guess as Ministry of Works, they started to clear some drains. I saw them even preparing the roundabouts to be like a reservoir. They created some channels to allow the water to settle in the. The roundabouts and some other things. You know, I know I'm not an engineer like you, so I know you would have an eye for certain things. But what, what, what do you do on an island that is at sea level and once it becomes saturated, where does the water go? [00:05:27] Speaker A: The connection's kind of bad. So if you could hear me clear that. [00:05:30] Speaker B: I can hear you clear. I can hear you very clear. Yeah, I can hear you very clear. You hear what I asked? [00:05:34] Speaker A: Okay. So. So, well, yeah. Yeah. So anyhow, I mean, I'm. I'm right now residing in a swamp. You know, Florida is on the sea level. Florida is much wetter than Nassau. On any given day, Florida doesn't have any rocks. Like, Nassau has rocks all over the place. Florida is pure sand, which is just. We call it shell rock. As soon as you dig one foot, you could see the shells in the sand. We don't even have dirt. [00:06:01] Speaker C: Wow. [00:06:03] Speaker A: And because of this, when you fly over Florida, you're flying into Florida, you see all these ponds all over the place. You ever been on a plane flying over Florida, you see all these water? [00:06:13] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot of water. [00:06:15] Speaker A: These are not natural. [00:06:16] Speaker B: Really. [00:06:17] Speaker A: Besides the Everglades, all of these are man made. [00:06:20] Speaker C: Okay. [00:06:20] Speaker A: I didn't know, because whenever. Whenever you build a community, the first thing, any engineer or I, I mean, you're gonna have to help me with this part. Who's responsible for, I guess in the Bahamas, do we have a Environmental Protection Agency? [00:06:38] Speaker B: Well, I know that deals with the environment. Yeah, there is. There is an agency that deals with it that, that's. You have. You have to get a. I think they call it an epa. You have to get an environmental assessment before you do certain, certain projects. [00:06:52] Speaker A: So there is so someone like, Someone like an environment. Someone like a Department of Zoning. And obviously you have a building department down there. The first thing you always do when you start a new community is you want to. You want to know the elevation, the elevation of the area building. Besides knowing the elevation, the next thing any developer has to do is discuss how you're going to move your water. [00:07:16] Speaker C: Right? [00:07:17] Speaker A: How are you going to get rid of the water when you build on this land that's receding the water and you put concrete on it. Now what you're going to do with the water runoff, how are you going to get rid of that? [00:07:28] Speaker B: Right. [00:07:28] Speaker A: So let's. Let's go back to flying over Florida. So when you fly over Florida and you see these communities, and many of these communities have a. Have a lake or pond, right? This. This is not natural. Because what they do, they build something called a retention pond, right? Because they know once they put these houses on this swampy land, the water needs somewhere to go. So they elevate. They elevate the level of the earth in many cases, five feet above grade, which, when I say above grade, five feet above the crown of the road. [00:08:03] Speaker B: Okay. [00:08:04] Speaker C: Okay. [00:08:05] Speaker A: The house is sitting up on a little hill. And the water then is run to the front of the house, which is like a culvert made from. Made from sod with some pipes in there. And then that water runs down to something known as a drainage canal. [00:08:22] Speaker B: You have a text and that drainage. Department of Environmental Planning and Protection. Dep. Department of Environmental Planning and Protection. Thank you, Dexterity. [00:08:32] Speaker A: Okay. And that water then runs into a drainage canal. And then that drainage canal runs into a big retention pond. Or the water can be sent to the ocean or the water can be sent to a big reserve reservoir somewhere where that water is controlled. And then they have lift stations there to block the water from coming back out and to pump the water in. So let's look at pinewood that I'm familiar with in the south beach area, because other parts of the island swamp. So, yes, the Wilson guys Built a lot of that or our rock homes. Built a lot of those properties out there. [00:09:05] Speaker B: They said, yeah, they continued it. They said another investor started it and then they took over from it. [00:09:15] Speaker A: Okay, so whoever built it, Whoever built it, they built that whole area wrong. Because number one, they probably never shot elevations. And they built the houses flat on top of the soil. Okay, which. The beach, South Beach. The ocean is not too far away from that. So in any case, those houses should have been elevated higher. But now we already. They're already there. So let's discuss the plan forward first. Plan, you still want to shoot an elevation to know how high the, how high the, the, the slab grade, which is basically the concrete in your house. How high is that above the sea level down the road over there by the beach? Once you figured out how high that is, you could do a couple of things. You would have to use something called eminent domain, which means the government would have to buy some houses out there. Okay, Buy a few houses and knock them down. [00:10:09] Speaker B: Because that's my question. [00:10:13] Speaker A: The government can do that. It's within the government's authority to do that. The government has the right eminent domain to, to, to buy property for the betterment of the majority of the people. Right? For, for a fair just value. So whatever the market value is not what you want, whatever the market say you're worth, the government have the right to offer you that property. Level them off, basically knock them down and start digging a huge retention pond where water could flow to various part in that area and retain them. From that same retention pond, you find basically maybe the backside of the property somewhere like how you have in Yamakur, you have those drainage canals. And you can also install a drainage canal to the backside where the property could, without water, could drain into the ocean. Or you divert the water to some higher area. True drainage canal systems, but almost immediately to help with the overflow of the water, you would need to find the lowest point in that area. Because water always tend to run to the lowest point. The water is not going to sit at the high point, right. Once the ground is saturated, it tends to run to the lowest area. You find the lowest point in that neighborhood. And if there's 10, 20 homes in that lowest point, you knock up, you buy them back from the people, knock them all down and dig a massive retention pond. Whether it could be a 5 acre, 10 acre retention pond, and most of your water will run there. Once that happens, it keeps the whole community dry. And that's how it happens in Florida. Because the goal Is okay, You're in a swamp community. Dry retention ponds, drainage canals, pump stations. Because you can't change the geography. No, you just got to work around the, around the geography. [00:12:07] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:08] Speaker A: So we already know the Bahamas is somewhat, a little bit of below sea level. Why new construction. Continue to build flat. They need to build, put the garage underneath and build on stakes. [00:12:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:20] Speaker A: Better concrete build up 6, 7ft above and make that be the new code for all new construction. Because every time I travel there, the, the idiots are knocking down the hills. They're, they're ripping down whatever hill that's left in the country looking for curry. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Man, you got to sell curry. [00:12:39] Speaker A: Flooding. [00:12:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:40] Speaker A: But Jesus Christ, go to another island and bring the curry in or find a different material to use. [00:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:45] Speaker A: You're destroying the natural makeup of the island. And once you destroy that, it never comes back. [00:12:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:51] Speaker A: You see what I'm saying? It never comes back. So the building department really needs to look at 21st century ways to build houses in low lying area. And again, stop reinventing the wheel. Florida is right there. Florida is a swamp. [00:13:05] Speaker B: I'm happy you brought that suggestion to the table. I'm going to be happy to hear our sponsors will be. But I do think, I mean, you. [00:13:17] Speaker A: Could bring anybody from the building department or any engineer down there, they should know this. Florida, I mean, you're already low. [00:13:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:24] Speaker A: I mean, if you go to, if you go Key West, Florida, all those houses in the Key west is up about 6, 8, 9ft above the ground. You go to New Orleans, same thing. You go to Mississippi, same thing. You know you're low, right. You know you get hurricanes, you know you get surges, right. Why are you building flat? [00:13:42] Speaker C: Right. [00:13:44] Speaker A: And then you're knocking down all the hills, Right. So it doesn't even make sense to continue to build this way when, you know, the prime minister went to the UN and begged for global warming. Traveling all over the world and blake about global warming and climate change. All right, well, you're begging for global warming and climate change and telling the big nations they need to do better. Well, you're not doing what you need to do in the Bahamas to make sure your people don't make these global warming and climate change mistakes by billing stupidly. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:14] Speaker A: You have to change the culture of the way construction is done down there. You know, I'm a straight shooter. Oh, the Bahamas have the best building code and we build stronger than Florida. Hey, building a house out of concrete and making all the walls and concrete doesn't mean your building code is Any better? You're inefficient. Look how hot those houses are down there with no insulation or anything like that. You're using pressure treated wood for the roof to put in the roof truss. Pressure treated has formaldehyde and all sorts of chemicals in it. Well, guess what? Whilst you're sleeping in your house, you're breathing in all that stupid chemical because it doesn't supposed to be in the roof, it's supposed to be in water, not in the roof. All because of the termite. Okay, we'll spray something on the, the wood for the termites. But you don't put that stuff in the roof. It has chemicals in it. And then you wonder why you have all these cancer and all these crazy stuff because you're using the wrong material in the wrong place. [00:15:12] Speaker C: Wow. [00:15:13] Speaker A: And nobody says anything about it. I go there all the time. It's like you got pressure treated in the roof. Are you insane? This is supposed to go in the roof, man. It's designed for use in bathrooms and tubs, an area that sits in water, not up there. So when the thing starts to fume off, you breed it in. So there's a lot of discussion needs to take place on relooking at the building code, relooking that into the country and relooking how we're building in the bahamas in the 21st century. And listen, I bill all the time. I'm a certified general contractor, which means I can build from a doghouse to Donald Trump Tower. That's the certification I carry in roofing, mechanical H vac, plumbing and certified general contracting. So I could talk construction because I'm in the enemy area where our water system is worse. [00:16:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:05] Speaker A: Than what's in Nassau. [00:16:06] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, so let's take a pin there. We stick up in there. We got a caller in that. We, we started a conversation last week, Wednesday. [00:16:15] Speaker C: Right. [00:16:16] Speaker B: I want to, I want to keep that in the record. We're going to, going to continue to discuss that, but I want to bring in a man that called in last week, Wednesday. Mr. James Curlin, are you there? Mr. Curling, sorry for not getting you in at the top of the show, but I know your time is valuable, so I just wanted to have you come on because we were discussing natural resources in honor of the late, honorable Vaughan Miller who passed recently. And you called in at the end of the show to make it known that you work with Aragonite. You're in that business and you wanted to share some of the realities that you are faced with as A person who actually sells the sand or the aragonite. And so I just wanted you to just explain that again. And then I wanted to share some things with you to get your feedback and then we could go back into the discussion we were having earlier. So tell us exactly what you do, please. [00:17:22] Speaker C: No, not a problem. There are a lot of guys running around town, including Mr. Lincoln Dean, who is discussing what a rugged knife or any other sound sells for. And I dare to say to any which one of them he sell a rugged knight or sound here for maximum $25 per ton. If they. $25 a ton. If they could fetch 8 and 6 and 5 and $400 a ton for it, why don't they come down to Iraqi and buy it at $25 a ton and then take the market over? That's what I've been saying. Because these guys are running around town saying this stuff wastes billions of dollars and the Bahamians are not benefiting from it. Then I dare any behemoth under the style of my voice or anybody else come buy it for $25 and you got the market. Go and sell it for two and three and $400. Right? [00:18:31] Speaker B: So let me share something with you, Mr. Curlin, and you tell me what you know about this or if this makes any sense to you. [00:18:39] Speaker C: Right? [00:18:40] Speaker B: People are researching and they're seeing when they look at the market overview. All right, this particular. I got a couple of websites here. You know, when you start talking about markets and aragonite, certain companies come up. Kelsey Caribbe, C Aquinatural Seashem, bulk reef supplies, etc. And they make these claims. [00:19:10] Speaker C: Right. [00:19:11] Speaker B: I'll read. It says the aragonite sand market is a part of the global aquarium substrate market. The overall reef aquarium market, which is the primary driver of demand for Oregonite sand, is experiencing strong growth and was projected to reach $8.4 billion by. By 2027. The demand for aragonite sand is tied directly to the salt water and Shylett aquariums. Right? So this is. This is what the research or this is what's popping up. Have you heard anything about this or. [00:19:45] Speaker C: Is this something I've been hearing about this? Let's take for instance, kfc. All right, KFC would buy probably, I'll say, no more than 5,000 tons of Shelly sand from the Bahamas a year at somewhere in the vicinity, including shipping for about $50, 55, $60 a ton. And if KFC can turn that 5,000 tons into $8 billion and KRFC been in the industry now for Many, many years. I dare to believe, tend not to believe any of that story is true. Once KRFC get that Shelley sign, KRFC then do all kinds of stuff to that sound, in some instances defeated. And they make it for aquariums, for the fish. But you know, it's KFC would not have even been existing. You think, you don't think there was KFC around. [00:20:57] Speaker B: So this is, this is why, you know, the discussion keeps, you know, it keeps festering. Right. Because you have these. There's another site called Market Research Store. Right. [00:21:13] Speaker C: All this is baloney, I can tell you that. [00:21:15] Speaker B: So you think so you. So why would people make this stuff up? Why would they say that this is such a valuable resource? [00:21:23] Speaker C: I don't know. I don't have the reason why they make it up. But I can guarantee you they ain't getting that sound from the Bahamas. I know the few people who export aragonite and I can tell you the most aragonite goes out of the Bahamas. Each amount to 150 tons of organized. And they stock up with this stuff in Freeport. That is poor road based material. He's organizing that limestone. And with the 150,000 that only go to whatever market it is. That's the agriculture market and every other market in the United States. [00:22:09] Speaker B: Yeah, so I'm seeing. They say fertilizer, skin care, construction, etc. [00:22:15] Speaker C: I can tell you people scientists are trying to develop market for skin care and plastic, paper, pharmaceuticals too. [00:22:24] Speaker B: They say pharmaceuticals too. [00:22:25] Speaker C: Takes a lot of money to do that. [00:22:26] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:22:27] Speaker C: And that market is not really developed yet. It is still in the process of being put together. [00:22:37] Speaker B: So you're saying right now if a Bahamian knew how to access this market where they could get billions of dollars, they could come down to where you selling. [00:22:46] Speaker C: They could come down to Iraqi and say, Mr. Curling, I want 50, 60, 70, $80,000. I'd be willing to give them a damn discount. [00:23:01] Speaker B: That's a win. That's a win for you, right? [00:23:03] Speaker C: That's a win for me. [00:23:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:05] Speaker C: And any one of us who are in the sound business, I'm not the only one that's the big win. I, I mean sound is there. [00:23:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:14] Speaker C: There's trillions of tons of sound in the Bahamas. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:23:18] Speaker C: And I beg, I beg to differ from all of these myths, right. That's going around telling Bahamians that when you work for me, we can be able to take over the organized market and give you a hundred dollars. A hundred thousand dollars or $50,000 off the natural resources yeah, that's. [00:23:42] Speaker B: Well, I, I, you know, for me, for me, I, I so much, you know, getting into the political aspect of it. I really just bohemian who is, you know, trying to figure out. [00:23:53] Speaker C: And I'm happy for the truth. [00:23:55] Speaker B: I'm happy. Yeah, I'm happy you calling because you in the industry, you in the business. And they say I love to sell. [00:24:00] Speaker C: I love to sell as much as I could. And then. And the Bahamas benefit from every green of it. That's so imagine our organ Life sells for $20 a ton. The government gets $2. But now there's a new ark now that's going to be in force shortly. Where the government will share in whatever profit it is. If it's $100, I think they get 25% or something like that with the new act. But the market in there might wrong. It may be a basket that could be developed. But still far over my. Over my 40 years of doing it. [00:24:37] Speaker B: You won't see it. [00:24:39] Speaker C: I should have had a host on the moon. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Well, I wanted you to get that out there. I wanted you to get that on the record. I know there'll be people who will call in and they may differ, but. [00:24:51] Speaker C: They could call me like I gave you my number last week. Right. [00:24:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:54] Speaker B: Well, you see what I do. [00:24:55] Speaker C: You see if there are some behemoths who know where this market is. I'm gonna place your order or even go. I'll show you how to do it. Go get a license. Unless, dude, show love. [00:25:06] Speaker B: I love. [00:25:07] Speaker C: I love to see the Bahamas benefit. [00:25:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:09] Speaker C: From a rugged night or a fan or anything for that. [00:25:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. My Mr. Good. [00:25:15] Speaker C: I left all behemoths under the sound of my right. [00:25:17] Speaker B: Yes. [00:25:17] Speaker C: Because they are. There's. There are enough style out there for the whole country. It. That's kind of priceless. [00:25:25] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. [00:25:26] Speaker C: No, that's low life. Right. But the Bahamas would really be rich. And everybody in the Bahamas would really. [00:25:32] Speaker B: So to tie your conversation in with what Mr. Tinker was talking about in terms of. [00:25:37] Speaker A: Hey, can you hear me? [00:25:38] Speaker B: Yeah, go ahead, Tinker. What you want. You want to ask? [00:25:41] Speaker A: No, no. Yeah. I just wanted to say. He says. So are you. Are you at your location? You operate a dredger, a dredging machine? [00:25:50] Speaker C: I operate excavators and barges. [00:25:53] Speaker A: I'm saying the way you mine for this. Are you just you digging it with a barge grabbing from the seaboard? [00:25:59] Speaker C: I dig it with an excavator very carefully. It's like when you mine a organite. It's like you are mooring like a lawn. You cannot go too deep. Like, Ocean Key went deep, and the water got cooler down there, and the organite would not form on grass. You know, I would say, in my experience, 15ft is the deepest you should go because you got to keep the water at a certain temperature so that the aragonite could cleanse itself. [00:26:34] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:26:35] Speaker A: And you guys are selling for. How much do you sell it for? A ton? [00:26:39] Speaker C: $25. [00:26:41] Speaker A: Okay. For example, here when I. We have types of Oregon it, and me, when I would go to install someone's septic, we use something called septic sand that's also dredge, just dredged out, and that sells here for $18 a ton. So you get a 21 ton truck, you get a total of 20 yards, 20 tons of that. So even here, buying the raw material is pretty comparable to the price, whether it's shell rock, septic sand, or the different type of aggregates. But what the gentleman's referring to. Yeah. If you want to buy this sand at the $20 a ton, send it to a facility and grade through it and take the different minerals and stuff out of that sand to get to $100 a ton. Well, the operational cost is going to be very high to get to the final product that you want, and that's in anything. Even if you look at Brazil, Brazil is probably one of the largest deposits of natural resources. But Brazil problem has always been trying to get to it and trying to industrialize it, and they don't have the money to do it. [00:27:50] Speaker B: Yeah, And I think one of the advantages of. [00:27:53] Speaker C: That's a very good statement. [00:27:55] Speaker B: Yeah. The advantages of our. You could correct me If I'm wrong, Mr. Kurland, is we don't have as many impurities in our aragonite. [00:28:03] Speaker C: Correct. [00:28:04] Speaker B: As some other places. [00:28:05] Speaker C: It's. Most of it is almost pure. The aragonite itself, the olitic aragonite, is almost a pure stage if you can grind it into powder. And maybe there is a market for that kind of thing, but that's something. [00:28:22] Speaker B: We would have to establish. [00:28:24] Speaker C: That's something established right as we speak. [00:28:28] Speaker B: So, Mr. Credlin, have you ever heard of anyone legitimately trying to create some type of manufacturing here in the Bahamas utilizing the aragonite that you're mining? [00:28:40] Speaker C: Every time it comes around, what happens is the electricity cost is too high to bear. The bulk of it, in terms of the energy is just too high in the Bahamas, so. [00:28:55] Speaker B: It defeats the purpose. [00:28:56] Speaker C: You gotta go to a place where they. The energy cost is not as much as it is yeah, yeah, yeah. But there are people out there, there are scientists out there trying to put containers in motion for sales of aragonite, like in the plastic industry, like in the powder industry, like in the chicken feed industry, like in the bone industry. Because remember, again, the aragonite is almost pure calcium. So when the chickens eat it, the shell of the eggs is a little bit harder, and they feed it to the chickens, and you put it under the lime tree, it acts as a fertilizer. In the United States, aragonite is competing with limestone. Limestone is very cheap in the United States. So very little of that market you're going to get in the aragonite business, even though it's a better product, but the economics of it just don't work that well with some farmers. Right. You got to pay that cost of 20, $25 here, then you got to ship it there, and then the cost of limestone over there is minimum. [00:30:22] Speaker B: Yeah, so. So I. Yeah, yeah, I'm happy. So I'm happy you. You're sharing. So I'm. I'm just curious as to find out where some of these forecasters are getting these numbers from. They talk. They talking globally and just talking about the Bahamas. [00:30:39] Speaker A: It's the selling the finished product is the problem. They're giving you the price. [00:30:42] Speaker C: It's making the finished product. [00:30:44] Speaker A: They're not giving you the price on the. Right, on the process. The amount of money is going to talk to create the industry and process it. You got to minus all that out. And then when you do the math, okay, well, what am I getting from the finished product? Should we just sell it the way it is, or should we go through this entire process and sell it and then you end up with the same profit as selling it in bulk? [00:31:04] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right, right, right. [00:31:07] Speaker A: The numbers. The numbers never lie. You always got to look at the numbers. [00:31:09] Speaker B: No, and that's. And listen, so. So I've listened to this Oregonite discussion for you is, you know, so I'm happy to have someone in the industry, and I wanted him to call to give his, you know, real life experience, you know, in the industry. Anything else you want, go ahead. [00:31:27] Speaker A: I was going to say that, too. Look at Morgan's. Look at the salt that we collect and scrape and. And Morton Salt sells it. They sell that raw salt because I have to use it for my water system here. They sell 40 pounds of that pellet salt for. It's $9 a bike for 40 pounds. [00:31:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:31:48] Speaker A: And then they sell cookings in the store. I think it's a pound or the Little red, blue box. [00:31:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:55] Speaker A: And that's almost $2 and some change. [00:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:59] Speaker A: But then when you go right to Nassau where they. Where this company has been mining this stuff forever, the soul is three, four times the price. [00:32:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Then you could get it. Then you could get that theme solved in Ragged island for free. [00:32:12] Speaker B: For free, right, exactly. I just talked to Elder who tell me he used to rig the salt ponds as a little boy. Yeah. [00:32:21] Speaker C: So there is added value that could be added to the product, but that's a story for a different day. [00:32:30] Speaker B: So I would like to hear, you know, people who are serious about, you know, getting the Bahamas to realize the potential of the aragonite, to present some plans on refining it, but producing the products that would allow for us to realize these billion dollar numbers. You know what I'm saying? [00:32:53] Speaker C: Right? [00:32:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Government subsidies is very important to push new industries forward is through government subsidies. You know. [00:33:06] Speaker C: There still has to be. There still has to be a market that when you. When you. [00:33:11] Speaker A: Exactly. That too. [00:33:12] Speaker C: Refine this thing. Right. Like you could go back and you could go in that market and realize the prophet. Right, right, right. [00:33:21] Speaker B: Well, Mr. [00:33:22] Speaker A: Curling, just. You just can't hope for hope for the market, you know, and they'll come. Doesn't work. Doesn't work anymore. [00:33:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Man, I wish I had you on the Zoom, Mr. Kelly, so you could stay on for the whole conversation. But I. [00:33:40] Speaker C: We get together another day when I'll possibly even have a scientist. [00:33:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:45] Speaker C: To enlighten people in the Bahamas. [00:33:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:47] Speaker C: On what a rocket really is and what it could do. [00:33:51] Speaker B: Well, I got your number. We can make that show happen sooner. Sooner than later. [00:33:55] Speaker C: As long as you're ready, just give me a call. [00:33:57] Speaker B: Yes, sir. Thank you so much. That's James Curlin. He is an expert there in the aragonite field with regard to dredging the aragonite. And like I talked to him last week, Wednesday called the end of the show and we started to have this conversation. So I wanted to get that on the record. I have with me Dr. Tinker. I see that we do have some calls, so I'm gonna get to the calls. I got some texts for you, Dr. Tinker. People asking about what type of wood material should we be using, things like that. So we're gonna get to that right after the break. Keep it locked. Here on Guardian radio today. [00:34:43] Speaker C: Everything is. [00:34:43] Speaker A: Bigger and better at Burger King Nassau. When you have a big appetite, BK has a royal deal for you. Get a flame grilled double, Big King Jr. Or an original chicken sandwich plus four chicken nuggets, small fries, a drink and a fresh baked cookie for only $9.95 including that. The Royal deal was built for a big Appetite. And at $9.95 including that, it's a steal of a deal. 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We're good for you. And welcome back to Guardian radio today, the October 7th edition. My name is Dr. Cleveland W. Eneas III, also known as Kahun Anku Sarah. My special guest today, Dr. Rudolph Tinker. There's a man that wears many hats. And so we've been talking, you know, the flooding that's been going on in the country, the type of building materials, and we even had Mr. James Krillin call in to give his fax on the aragonite. But we got some calls. Let's run straight to the phone lines and then we'll get to the text call. You live on Guardian Radio today. [00:36:53] Speaker C: Yes. Good day. [00:36:54] Speaker B: How you doing, man? [00:36:55] Speaker C: I'm all right. You know, resources, right? All resources. [00:37:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:01] Speaker C: Right. The fish, the quarry or the limestone sand, you know, all these resources are exploited by the wealthy. And you know, whether they foreigners or native, they still wealthy, you know. And I know my, my father was a millionaire and it was true he was a trucker. [00:37:28] Speaker B: Okay. [00:37:29] Speaker C: You understand he was able to send us to private school and university, right? That's for family and nine children. [00:37:36] Speaker B: Wow. [00:37:36] Speaker C: You understand me. My father was. Had a million in assets. So. Mr. Carol. And he's the same, he was bigger than my father. So, you know, and they all exploit these resources and only, only a few of them benefit from it. [00:37:52] Speaker B: But Mr. Curling, just say you could come down. [00:37:54] Speaker C: And, and no, but what I'm saying, he ain't giving me no sign for free. Concrete. This poured percentage to that was something like like 30% of that assigned. [00:38:06] Speaker B: So you want to. [00:38:07] Speaker C: How much concrete is poured in this country and how much the man who can, who don't want a house get gets from that. [00:38:13] Speaker B: You want them to drag your son and give it to you for free? [00:38:15] Speaker C: Well, I'm saying it belongs to Alban. Doesn't just belong to people, but it's. [00:38:19] Speaker B: A cost to get the sun. [00:38:20] Speaker C: You understand me? So, so that's what I'm saying. It's resources and everybody benefiting from the resources. You know, it's like, it's like the fish, right? Look how much fish comes out of the sea. You got the foreigners eating more fish. [00:38:36] Speaker B: So you want the fisherman get the fish and give it. [00:38:39] Speaker C: The fish belongs to us. [00:38:40] Speaker B: But you, you think the fisherman who take his gas, who buy his boat. [00:38:45] Speaker C: So don't, don't cut me off now. [00:38:47] Speaker B: I just asking the question. Go ahead. [00:38:50] Speaker C: It's like, it's like privatization of Batalco and, and, and, and, and ppl and everything else, you know, and call it behemoth. [00:39:00] Speaker B: So here's my thing, you see, I, I the spirit that, the spirit of the conversation. I do appreciate the spirit of what you're saying, right? I just want us to be responsible when we having the conversation so that we could actually get somewhere. You understand? [00:39:14] Speaker C: See, See what, what, what, what, what? See what, what you saying, right? Is that what you are doing, right? Is that the, the, this resources only belong to the people who can. [00:39:24] Speaker B: No, let me tell you, let me tell you what my main argument is. We don't have freedom of information in this country. So we don't really know what we talking about. We could run around in circles. And the people who really know sit Bakken, they laugh because we don't really know. [00:39:39] Speaker C: We know about the fish. We see the people getting this fish, you understand me? And we see the fish being exported. The communities of fish houses, yeah, we see the fish being exported. But we can't buy fish in the food store or in the delis or at burger King or McDonald's. [00:39:58] Speaker A: That's up for the government. The government needs to put a stop to that. You know, I mean the government could do that. The government could just say, hey listen, you know, until we hit surplus levels, no exportation of local products. [00:40:11] Speaker C: You know what? You know liberalism that we fail to in this country. They do what our government has done. They've gone from the progressive parties, you know this one, and privatized public assets and say to us that they offering a share and 50% of it. They offer shares. [00:40:33] Speaker B: This is why. [00:40:36] Speaker C: Ownership to those who can afford it, the wealthy, the minority, you see. You know. But you know one, one more thing I want to digress a bit. [00:40:45] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:40:45] Speaker C: But this, the biggest thing in the news today is about this deal with the Philippines with freedom of workers in the Philippines. Something that I think like I'm the only person that advocates for free, for free immigration union within the Caribbean that four nations did just this week or a week before. And we as Baha' I Bahamians refuse to do that. And the reason I see is that see when we do this free, this, this immigration unit union, then we don't have to be given. Then we could deal with our birthright citizenship as a small nations where we don't have to give people that need us for economics. We don't need to give them our passport. You understand what I'm saying? And we refuse to. We want to do is make excuses. We want to. We know we do. We assume what the government means without, without the, what you call it, the transparency. And you know, I asked, I asked the minister, the candidate for prime minister for the FNM yesterday about why we not having a debate about privatization rather than the what you call it the transparency and the privatization. And he, he skid around that and skated around and the whole. Shouldn't, you know, didn't ask him to answer that. [00:42:19] Speaker B: Yeah, we have the Freedom of Information act, but there's nothing, it's not been actualized. [00:42:24] Speaker C: No, but see the Freedom of Information act, the freedom of information is not as important as the debate whether we should privatize it or not. This is a conversation we are not having. [00:42:37] Speaker B: You see, I hear you Gu, you. [00:42:40] Speaker C: Know, and then what we do, we say, oh, we got some behemoth ownership. Behemoth, behemoth ownership. That, that still doesn't, you know, that still doesn't benefit the BAME and that benefit a few. Do you know who they are? These behemoth benefit. The benefits are house slaves. [00:42:57] Speaker B: I appreciate you call man. I and I, I, I hear the sentiments of you and others who, who you frustrated. Right. You're trying to figure out how everybody's going to get a piece of this pie. You understand? Let's try to get this last call in before we go to the news live on Guardian Radio. Caller going once. All right, so I guess they'll call back after the news. Let me get some text in here, Dr. Tinker. I had one text he had. Who says they building flat because it's cheap. [00:43:32] Speaker A: Well, there you go. Well, being cheap and effective, you know, you can't have a foolish man build his holes on top of sand. Yes, yes, if that, if that's what you want to do with your few dollars. Build cheap and then get washed away. Don't complain when you flood out. [00:43:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Another taxi says what type of wood materials we should use in the roof? Because you said that we shouldn't be any. [00:43:54] Speaker A: Anything, any, any. If you're framing your house out of wood or you building the roof trusses and you're using plywood, all that should be something called as yellow pine. Yellow pine is a harder type of wood. Yellow pine is the original form of the wood. Once it's cut, it's yellow. Okay. If you, if you look up pressure treated wood and you look up the definition that what it's supposed to do, it's only supposed to be used in low level areas where there's a chance that water is going to hit it. Because that's the reason why it was designed. Because it has chemical inside of it that inhaling them over a period of time is very bad. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. [00:44:39] Speaker A: You know, it's very, it's very. I mean if you go in a lumber yard or anywhere they sell lumber Nassau and just go in an area where they store pressure treated wood, you couldn't even stay around there long enough to breed it. [00:44:50] Speaker C: Wow. [00:44:51] Speaker A: Very dangerous. So I don't know why and how the government allows that to be in ceilings and the roof. [00:44:58] Speaker B: And we wonder why the council, the council is so high in this country. [00:45:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know, you know, so those things they need to look at again and see, okay, what are people, these builders. And look at the type of materials that people are using the bill down there because it's going to have long term repercussions. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:45:20] Speaker A: But we got around on top of that. The pressure treated, what is it costs even more money than yellow pine. Yellow pine is cheaper. [00:45:27] Speaker B: Okay. And where, where is that source from that could. [00:45:30] Speaker A: Where, where? All the guys in the Bahamas, the lumber yards, either they, they get it out of the US they get it out of Brazil, or they get it from various parts of the world. But mainly most of the lumber in the Bahamas comes either from the U.S. canada or Brazil. [00:45:44] Speaker B: Gotcha. We're gonna run to a break and get to the news here on Guardian Radio today. We're talking flooding, we're talking construction, we're talking resources. My name is Dr. Cleveland W. Eneas III. My special guest Dr. Rudolph Tinker. We'll be back right after this on Guardian Radio. Today. [00:46:28] Speaker A: This is Guardian Radio 96.9 FM streaming on guardiantalkradio.com and the Guardian Radio app. [00:46:36] Speaker C: Nassau, Bahamas. You try to rest rope it the best for all your printing deeds. [00:46:44] Speaker A: There ain't no one better, no. For posters and binders, magazines and flyers. For window decals, reading cards and newsletters. [00:46:53] Speaker C: No job too big and there's no job too small. [00:46:57] Speaker A: You name it, we can print it. [00:46:59] Speaker C: Just give it. Give us a call. 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How the government utilize their eminent domain policy to move the houses in the low lying area, use that as a retention pond and then have those people build elsewhere. I'll have a text that says good afternoon your caller. Makes a lot of sense with buying out probably most of Pinewood. Problem is most persons in Pinewood already finished their mortgages and houses cost less than $80,000 back then. Imagine telling those people after they spend thousands buying furniture every time, it's spry that they now have to find a new home and pay from scratch because a house in a swamp are not appraised for much. What say you, Dr. Tinker? Is he there? I think you may be on mute. All right, let's try to get him back up. All right. So called due process. Okay, sorry, he's there. So start again. You said what? [00:49:59] Speaker A: Yeah, so it's called due process. So based on the current market value is what the government would have to offer that person for their home and their furnishings to relocate so they can go and find someplace else. It, it, it, it's, it's not going to be what you might want the asking price to be, but it's going to be a comparative price based on today's value and not what you paid 30, 40 years ago. [00:50:28] Speaker B: Right. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Okay. So no, it's not going to be that. It's going to be based on the current, the current market assess value. Whatever the government assess the property at, that's what they'll give you. [00:50:42] Speaker B: Okay. [00:50:43] Speaker A: What they should give you so you could move on. And I mean in the government's in the business of building houses anyhow. So they could probably just build another community somewhere and relocate these people. But when you look at the main of when you look at what eminent domain does, it will provide a benefit and a relief to, to the majority of the people living in these low lying areas by knocking some of those houses down. [00:51:07] Speaker B: Right, right. Because I mean it's just horrible and. [00:51:10] Speaker A: It happens all the time. [00:51:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. 3, 2, 3, 6. [00:51:14] Speaker A: 2, 3. [00:51:14] Speaker B: 2. 3. 2, 5, 4. 3 1, 6. 3, 2, 5, 4. 2, 5, 9. In the family of islands. 2, 4. I just want to make 305,720. Go ahead my brother. [00:51:25] Speaker A: So I want to make this last comment on pressure treated. So just so you know, many things that come into the Bahamas, especially when it comes from the US you have export only and American. [00:51:38] Speaker B: Right. [00:51:38] Speaker A: The export is much cheaper because it made with a lot of garbage that doesn't meet the code to use in building products here. For example, in 2004 they just stopped putting arsenic was it which is a carcinogen in pressure treated wood in 2004 to be used in the United States. [00:52:01] Speaker C: Wow. [00:52:03] Speaker A: So if you, so if you know what arsenic is. [00:52:05] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:52:07] Speaker A: Some serious, this is some serious stuff. Serious bad stuff. [00:52:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:11] Speaker A: Right. And they, they just outlawed that in the United States in 2004. But only for products that are used here. [00:52:19] Speaker B: But they could pass through exported products. [00:52:23] Speaker A: That are being exported. They go under a totally different process which is the process of that country. So if the Bahamas doesn't have a ban on arsenic being used in pressure treated wood, then y' all don't know what y' all getting now. Because if you understand what pressure treated is, it's a wood that's treated under high pressure with pesticides and preservative to resist, to resist the wood from rotting under where it's in a moist area or in there to preserve that wood, including arsenic. So like I said, this should not be used in areas like that. So I'm going to end my argument on there. [00:53:05] Speaker B: Yeah, but let's see what they call. [00:53:07] Speaker A: You got. You, you got, you got pressure treated. That's good. [00:53:11] Speaker B: It's bad, man. Let's see what it's bad. [00:53:13] Speaker A: And the last thing is. [00:53:17] Speaker B: Go ahead, go ahead. Let's, let's see what the call. Let's see what the callers have to say. Callie, live here on Guardian Radio today. [00:53:23] Speaker C: Oh, good, good day. How you doing? [00:53:24] Speaker B: I'm great, man. [00:53:25] Speaker C: Okay, good show today. And I was listening intently to what Dr. Tinker has to say and he makes a lot of sense. Not only does Pinewood Garden floods, there is lots of other areas, but mainly two in the Bel Air constituency off Carmichael Road. There's a huge flooding, flooding problems there for years now. And back in 2001, there was a complaint every time when it rains, not only with heavy rains, regular rains, a certain part of the area which is probably the lowest point, like what Dr. Tinker said, it floods. Wow. And there is an area that was there which is an, a little hilly area which was located deep down in the back of a park. [00:54:16] Speaker A: And for some reason the hilly area. [00:54:18] Speaker C: Was cut down, see, and quarry taken out. [00:54:23] Speaker B: Quarry, see. Yeah, I know. [00:54:24] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. And so that was taken out. So I don't think that made any sense because all it did was it hurt the residents because now there were massive flooding. So, you know, a lot of persons were just concentrating on Pinewood Garden. But Bel Air states a certain portion of it always flood as well. And the same thing where persons lose furniture and stuff like that, same thing happens just about every year with heavy rains. So it's not only pine wood would be concentrate on, you know, and only the poor people feel in the brand of this. But I don't think that hill on the park should have been taken down. [00:55:03] Speaker A: Go ahead, Dr. Dinko, stay on the line. The reason why I said that, because I never like to talk about something I don't know about. I seen pine with myself visually flooding because I have, I have an aunt that lives there who probably moved there I think in the 80s and it's been flooding. So that's why I didn't mention any other areas because I don't know. But, but remedy that. I. The remedy that, the remedy that I offered that is I've seen some new neighborhoods, some new neighborhoods off of. I think it's Harold Road. Yeah. [00:55:35] Speaker C: And then to Dr. Tinker, I don't know if anybody knows the Vincent Road before time, that road never used to flood like how it floods now with these sidewalks, these high sidewalks where the water had to, you know, was able to run off. With these sidewalks, they're doing more harm than good. [00:55:53] Speaker B: Wow. [00:55:54] Speaker C: So all of that needs to be looked into. [00:55:56] Speaker B: Wow. [00:55:57] Speaker C: Not just to give persons a job to do, but all of these sidewalks, UFOB areas would never flood and they flooded now because of these sidewalks were just to give persons contracts and stuff like that. So the government need leadership would go and look out for their people. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Thank you so much caller. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Thank you too. [00:56:15] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. Let's go to phone lines. Get this next caller call. Are you live on Guardian Radio today? [00:56:21] Speaker C: Yes, yes. Good afternoon to both of you, Seattle and Transcend. [00:56:25] Speaker B: Well, trying to get you really up. Anyway, next time. [00:56:29] Speaker C: Just let me touch on maybe two major points, but on the billing aspect, I'll touch on that another day. Yeah, but the problem we have in the Bahamas and the cry about these floodings is a water management issue. You have countries like Australia, China, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Jordan, Korea, Netherlands, Oman, Qatar, Spain, Asia, South America. All of these people are dealing with water management issues. More so for preservation of water sources such as what we have from the rain due to what we claim to be global warming, global melting, climate change, whatever it is as part of a water issue. And so would we have this not a water issue, but a lack of a strategy to deal with it. Opportunity concerning what's called MER manage aquifer recharging that is absolutely necessary here in the Bahamas as well as in the region. And so, you know, we somehow always look for the easy way out. But if the Bahamas is going to be around for the next hundred years, I think that we would have some short, medium and long term dealing with it. But you have countries that one could. One thing is like take Bermuda as an example. They don't have no natural water supply, but they utilize those same rains and things that come as part of. As part of the countries around the world that does water management as opposed to these elaborate or small environment type thing. So hopefully one day our leadership will think a little broader A little deeper considering that we're in a knowledge era and information is there for it to be comprehended and for strategies to be developed more specifically to the things that we face and more specifically to the environment that we live in, rather than copying things around. But the main thing I want to talk to you about is for the support curling in this position right now. One of the biggest things when we talk about natural resources in the Bahamas is there are 125 to 150 of. [00:58:42] Speaker B: Them, but there's 125 of them resources. I just wanted to be clear. You said there's 125 different resources. [00:58:51] Speaker C: Maybe more. [00:58:51] Speaker B: Maybe more. Okay, right. [00:58:53] Speaker C: Because what people don't understand is that when you hear us talk about airspace and shiftwreck and crowned land, we have the blue holes, the crystal cave. We have stromatolites, the original supposed to be origin on life. We actually have a space above our airline, which is space. We have the limestone, we have cabin credits, we have DNA in our plants, we have DNA in our animals because even quality of what can be kept. We have the rna, we have alkaline mud, we have the potential of oil, we have the potential of gas. Believe it or not, we do have a fresh water supply. Our seabed has value, fishery, sunshine. I mean I could go on and then you begin to go to the other plants and stuff that you begin to talk about it. At most into the macopis and the mangroves. But people find usually the low hanging fruit to make noise about. And so this is when you move into the aspect of the, of what we would be like to say Oregonite. But if you ask most of these so called experts, they can't tell you the difference between what do you mean by when I say Oregonite or when I say limestone or when I say aggregates. They probably can't explain it to you. So what they do is they have borrowed is for political. They prey on the ignorance and the hurt of individuals who believe that it is worth more. Most people would not even google to find out that the aragonite industry globally is probably less than $2 billion. But they expect that the Bahamas itself will produce $40 billion a year to give to them so they don't have to work. But when you talk about the types of aragonite, you know there is a host of different type of aragonite, olytic aragonite, biogenic aragonite, specular tongue, hydrotherminal, reciprocal stick. So many different types of aragonite. Bahamas have a certain amount of them and each one of them has its own purpose. Each one of them has its own process that has to go through in dealing with it in the same capacity, where we have different variations of the limestone that is in the world which also, believe it or not, the olytic limestone is not the same as the olytic aragonite. And then when you talk about all of these different things, it's understanding what is it exactly we have in exploitation. Mr. Kuhlan is correct concerning the billions of tons. Billions of tons is actually deposited here. And the year people use the word sand and it's a different sand, is a significant difference in the sand that's produced in The Bahamas, about 12 to 20 tons per year, which is totally different than the tons of aragonite that's available in here. And it's different than the limestone and the calcite and things that possibly. [01:01:51] Speaker B: My thing is ca. Right. I mean, I'm sea island. Right. Can we realize the actual value of the aragonites? Are we in a position to actually put in place mechanisms whereby we can either create the product that could be sold to a particular market. [01:02:13] Speaker C: Absolutely. [01:02:14] Speaker B: You know, like the aquarium market, the aquarium sand market, et cetera, et cetera. [01:02:18] Speaker C: Right. But when you move into the aquarium market, see, the point is that you have institute, you have places in the marketplace already and you have access. We're not the only place in the world to have. Great. A good example you can learn from is, I think, Jamaica with his box type. And Jamaica took a particular position. They chose not to buy from Jamaica, which caused the collapse of that particular industry there. And so you're not going to have people who's going to move it away and then over for you to come in and tell them that you're going to push them out and take them out of the place. [01:02:46] Speaker B: So we don't control them actually being even though we may have the product, they don't have to let us into their market, is what you're saying. [01:02:53] Speaker C: No, they're right, they don't. But at the same time, believe it or not, we need the limestone and the aragonite more than we need to export it. We need it for our very survival. These are equivalent of hearts and lungs and kidneys and stuff that we are saying, oh, yeah, I'll sell my heart because I could use the money. It's kind of like madness. And so when you talk about climate change and global warming and stuff that we need to shore up the Bahamas, so you may have 1 billion long tons of aragonite in the Little Bahama Bank. Okay, good question. How Much. How much of that Oregonite you need to shore up the Bahamas? It's going to be, what, 100,000 tons that you need or whatever do you need the whole 1.5 billion long tons for which you can't go and mine it all in one go because you're talking about preserving the very environment that you have. And so in the same capacity, we could expect the intellectual properties of the other resources that we have. But what we have to have is we have to have a sensible conversation. [01:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah, and so, so I really. Go ahead. Yeah, because see, what I, what I want to do is have a show where I know Mr. Curlin said he wanted to bring on a scientist. I want you to be able. Because you, you're polymath. You, you, you, you can, you can bring some, some different perspectives of peopling and. [01:04:17] Speaker C: Yep. Can I, can I say something? I've actually been involved in the, in the business and so I, it's not. [01:04:24] Speaker B: Yeah, so it's not just information. You have experience is what you're saying. [01:04:27] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Yes, I do. And so I understand the potential of all the different market. And one of the companies that was involved here, we looked at all of those different things that you talk about, whether it be from plastic, from geopolymer, from using it in the glass, from using it for cleaning in the pipe power plants. We looked at all of those things even for the use of it in fracking, but then it had to be looked in concerning the volume we can produce versus the demand that has to be met. And when you have a person that hacks you, they're not going to say, bring me a pound a day in a pound tomorrow. You have to be able to keep a sustained output to them. And we can't do it without destroying the Bahamas itself. And so if you want to get rid of all your reefs and other different things, you can. So even when you look at the possibility that aragonite can be used to solve their structure itself, it's still being examined. So we have to look at the value for our preservation as opposed to profiting for it. And so this is why people like the Coalition of Independence and the others that existed before, I listen to it and people say it's garbage, I say it's garbage. Juice? [01:05:35] Speaker B: Thank you, Ca. Listen, we got to get to some other calls. You know, Natural resources. I can never stop talking about it because I know we can find a way to, to, to make sure that everybody gets a piece of this pie. You know what I mean? Let's Run to the next call and doctor, think I can bring you back in. Next caller. Caller, you're live here on, on Guardian Radio today. [01:05:57] Speaker C: Yes, good afternoon, uncle Sarah and Dr. Tinker. [01:06:00] Speaker B: Good afternoon. How you doing? [01:06:01] Speaker C: I'm fine, thanks Dr. Think. I think you're on to something. I made mention of this some years ago. The government will have to purchase all the homes in Pinewood. Then what they could do is the mostly dense populated area that floods. Right. Purchase those particular homes, build a retention point and think that you are familiar with Okeechobee Road and Killian Drive, right? [01:06:30] Speaker A: I'm not hearing you too clear, but say it again. [01:06:32] Speaker C: I'm saying that you familiar with Okeechobee Road and Killian Drive where you have those. We can do a small version of those pumps. When the water gets 3 to 4 inches, they automatically come on with a drainage system that take it right to those. [01:06:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that's called a lift station. Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying that basically moves those large, large pumps. [01:07:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. Have a nice day, guys. [01:07:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're totally right. [01:07:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I wondered about that. [01:07:05] Speaker A: So what, so what he's, what, what he's referring to, I mean, that's down in Miami. So, so basically what, what that whole area did. And like I said, when you fly over Florida, you will see all these water look like structures which are all man made. So once the water gets into that drainage canal and they got to keep the elevation of that water lower than the road. So once the elevation that water gets too high, then the pump kicks on and shifts the water someplace else. Okay. Because once the land is saturated, the road would wash away, your foundation will crack. So you're constantly moving water. [01:07:46] Speaker B: So these pumps. [01:07:47] Speaker A: And that's how the neighborhoods are built, by moving water around. [01:07:50] Speaker B: These pumps got to be connected to the generator. These pumps got to be connected to generator because you know when, you know when the light. When the current off. [01:07:58] Speaker A: We don't use generators, man. Oh, no, no. FPL don't operate like that normally. [01:08:05] Speaker C: No. [01:08:06] Speaker A: These pumps have a, has a, have a backup generator, but they connected straight to a live feed of electricity because that's, that's, that's called, that's considered to be a critical infrastructure that has to be up and running. If not, you flood the whole neighborhood out. [01:08:21] Speaker B: That's, that's. See that, that's my next. [01:08:23] Speaker A: And who's going to pay for that? The government's going to pay for that. [01:08:25] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, you, you got the lift station there and then the pumps don't kick in. So we got to make sure we got the electricity flowing. [01:08:32] Speaker A: And, and, and, and, and right. And also, too, when you have, you know, your environmentalists telling you, hey, we have three, four inches of rain coming. Okay, let's get ready for the rain. So what they do, they pump the canals dry. They send all that water into Lake Okeechobee or into the ocean, so the canals are ready to receive the. All the water that's coming, and it keeps the neighborhood dry. [01:08:56] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Do we have a call? [01:08:57] Speaker A: That's how those things work. They work like clockwork. Go ahead. [01:08:59] Speaker B: This text says, Dr. Enius. Dr. Tinker is making the most sense I've ever heard. Building high, knock some houses down, make a reservoir. So you got people out there who are in agreeance with what you're saying. Let's go to the caller here. Here on guarding, you know, Renwood Wells. [01:09:16] Speaker A: Renwood Wells was, He said he was an engineer and he would have been in government for 15, whatever, plus years. And I saw a video where he talked about drilling wells. He would drill a well in the round for the water to run in the well. I've never heard that in my life. But if he could drill a well and the water could recede in a well, good luck for him. [01:09:37] Speaker B: And here's the full scope of that, I guess that, that, that, that suggestion that he has. Let's run back to the phone lines here on Guardian Radio today. Call your life. [01:09:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Good morning, Uncle. [01:09:51] Speaker B: How you doing? [01:09:52] Speaker C: Good morning, Dr. Tinker. Some interesting points you're raising, Dr. Tinker. You know, I made this recommendation a week prior to you right here on Guardian, you know, and one of the key things they said was, which you stated already, is that the government have to decide exactly first what they want to do with the water. And that is key. And I suggested the same type of system, you know. But my point that I also made, also, in order for the thing to work effectively, Dr. Tinker, we gotta clean the area up. It cannot work if we have particles blocking the flow, the constant flow or easy flow of our water. And it's going to be an expensive exercise, which I thought, but the reality is we got to do a better job with preparing for all of this rain by keeping the areas clean, green, and pristine. That's the only way it can work. If not, we'll still have the problem with blockage, et cetera and et cetera. But maybe we could use that. Pumping oil out to the sea. Yes, we could use this water. We could have build These homes to have reservoirs underneath their houses to secure some of this water and to use it for irrigation purposes and whatever other purpose you want to use it for, you just pump it all out. [01:11:23] Speaker A: Exactly. So let me give you an example of that. So in many cases when you build these retention ponds or these canals during the dry season, many of the homeowners they would run a 2 inch pipe or 3 inch pipe that could connect into those reservoirs and use that water for irrigation. [01:11:40] Speaker C: Exactly. But I'm very surprised. [01:11:42] Speaker A: Suck that water right out and use it for irrigation. Yeah, we do it here all the time. [01:11:47] Speaker C: And those engineers be listening to Guardian radio and these shows know because I find it rather I wanted that shortly after these comments would have been echoed. They came up with the same type of system that they prepared to do. But I believe the government on taxpayers shouldn't be putting out of this bill the private development. [01:12:07] Speaker A: This is strictly the government undertaking because they were the ones that allow builders to go in there, didn't do elevation surveys, didn't do proper site surveys and didn't do basically basic urban planning. How do I build a new country? [01:12:21] Speaker C: See this where the argument is going to start because the government didn't do it. And I as a taxpayer who have nothing to do with it should put the bill while the, while the developers walk off. Score 3. Talking about. [01:12:38] Speaker A: If the developer is still around, then the developer should be able to. Well, you would have to sue the developer to pay back into this particular fund to redevelop it. But that's a discussion for another day. [01:12:48] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly how it's going to be paid for because it's an expensive exercise. But I believe that developers, those land or what you call them, parents, et cetera, they should start government should make them develop these things, put these corporate systems, drainage systems in place before they even sell a piece of land. That's how it works in other countries. I'm sure it works. [01:13:15] Speaker B: And I meanwhile though, meanwhile though, every time, every time it floods the people in Pinewood Pan, that's the side pot. They buying furniture. [01:13:26] Speaker A: They're paying because they're replacing the furniture. Yes, exactly, exactly. [01:13:30] Speaker C: You know, but, but, but let's see. I think that 20 million just for Pinewood Garden alone is a bit pricey. But not only Pinewood we should look at, you know, building homes and into other and correcting this flooding. But then the sad reality is we didn't even understand this because growing up as a young man passed over to a thorn flooded area. But like they, like I said, they cut down all the trees, they cut down all of the filled land space that water and drops right on the ground and nothing to containerize the water. But. [01:14:12] Speaker A: Yeah, and you also, in new urban planning, you also have to keep green areas. You got to keep areas that are designed as a green space, but really it's an undercover retention pond where the water sits. Because if you just have houses everywhere, no green spaces, well, you can flood like crazy. So it's a lot of urban planning goes into future development. [01:14:38] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, you're spot on and it's a good discussion. Hopefully we can get some results. [01:14:45] Speaker B: I pray because I feel for those people every time it rains, you know, I think about, you know, their heart must sink. Their heart must sink when they hear that it's going to rain because they know what they got to deal with. [01:14:56] Speaker C: But it goes straight back to Anhu. It goes straight back to us operating the country for 52 years ad hoc and without having a national development plan, you know, and it's just, it's just unbelievable. You need a plan to permit to build a wall, but you don't need nothing to run a country, just run it from the top of your head. It's just unbelievable, man. And then on top of that, what makes it even worse, when we electing these individuals, we elect them for rallies, cracking jokes as opposed to having community live debates. We are all candidates who are vying for particular constituency. We pair up against one another and you debate these issues and you discuss them to see whether they can think critically on their feet, to see whether they have common sense and intelligence and to find out these things have the attitude and the aptitude to be elected to the highest office in the land, which is the highest elected office in the land, which is a member of parliament. But we don't do these things. You know, we elect them from Rani's craft into then we discuss them intelligently like we're doing now after the fact. That is wrong. [01:16:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you, Cleveland man. We're going to run to a break here on Guardian Radio today. Our special guest, Dr. Rudolph Tinker. My name is Kahun Ant. 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If it were Sahemians and foreigners alike knocking at our door to mine it, no one is presently mining it. The reason they can't make any money. Three companies were in the aragonite business at Ocean Key. Each sold because it was not profitable. No one took over from the last company. What more needs to be said? I've heard that argument. I've heard that argument. You know, what say you, Dr. Tinker? [01:20:20] Speaker A: Listen, you know, they're, they're. If you do something long enough, sometimes it becomes profitable. But like mining the natural resources of something. It could be used in so many different variations, but every variation requires some sort of industry. [01:20:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:20:37] Speaker A: You know, so that's. That's the biggest thing with these things. You. You need people to know what to do. You need manufacturers, set it up. You need machinery. You need. You need, you know, this land. Land, labor and capital. That's the three components of economics. You need it. So right now we have the land. [01:20:57] Speaker C: Right. [01:20:57] Speaker A: You need the labor and the capital to make it. To make it work. But as we're. As we were on the break, I was actually brainstorming in my head really a very good plan for Pinewood, which I. Which I'm thinking here, because Pinewood's close to South Beach. Right. That's the. It's close to where that. That's where the ocean is on that side. So really, if you look at it, if they would build a huge retaining wall. Just a retaining wall. Because I'll give you an example. So in Florida, they had this lake called Lake Okeechobee, which is the largest lake in Florida. And I think 100 years ago, because of torrential rain, the lake overflowed and wiped out all the areas that were sitting close to this lake and created cities like wiped out areas called Belglade. Clueson is where Bahamian farmers contract guys used to go and work. This flood came and destroyed that whole area up there. And what the army Corps of Engineers decided to do to avoid this from happening again, they decided to push the lake about a few miles inward by building a huge retaining wall which keeps the. Keeps the water in. But they made it very high to ensure that it doesn't overflow. And if it does overflow, then they have a huge draining canal, drainage canal. So if you look at the south beach corridor there, where that water is down there, if they build a huge retaining wall, not just out of concrete, but like these, we call them sheet pile metal, that can go about 20, 30ft in the ground because you want a strong wall. So it'll be like a big. Almost like a berm around that whole corridor. Put your retainage ponds in south beach connected to the. When it rains, the overflow of that water can then bleed into a part of the ocean over there because the water is salty. They have canals already. But I'm talking about getting the water out of Pinewood area. [01:23:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:04] Speaker A: Or wherever it floods. Or wherever it floods. You know, that would be probably a very. I mean, it's not quick, but it'll be a rapid solution to do that. Where you could pump that water right in there. [01:23:14] Speaker B: Let's take this call here. [01:23:15] Speaker A: You know what I mean? In a particular part of that area. [01:23:17] Speaker B: No, I hear you. I hear you loud and clear. Calling you live here on Guardian Radio today. [01:23:21] Speaker C: Hey, good afternoon, brother. How is that? [01:23:23] Speaker B: I'm well, my brother. [01:23:24] Speaker C: And good afternoon to your brothers. I want to weigh in as a contractor and please, as a family with successful contracting businesses and billings airports in this country, the Bahamas. Let me say something to you. Let me say something to all the listeners. Some might get mad, and if you, if you understand where you're coming from, you wouldn't get mad. The government needs to put their foot down and get some sort of retribution from our WAC homes. Let me say why I say that. [01:23:57] Speaker A: First of all, I didn't want to say it, but you did. Go ahead. [01:24:00] Speaker C: When they developed that land. [01:24:01] Speaker B: Don't get us in trouble now. [01:24:02] Speaker C: When they develop that land, I, I think. I ain't scared to say what I said. I say that to the people who own. Who own. Ah, but anyway, when they developed that land, right, they know that was swamp land. They didn't even raise the land. Let me give you a prime example. When Atlantis was built, you remember, they started with. That was Hog island with all of that water and stuff. What they did, they had to fill in that they didn't even raise the land. [01:24:28] Speaker B: Let me stop you for two seconds, because when I, When I did the research on this, they said that the initial development was in 1972, right, by Pine. Pinewood Gardens Ltd. A company led by a foreign investor named Robert Petri. This company sold approximately 200 of the original 3,500 lots. [01:24:51] Speaker C: Okay? [01:24:51] Speaker B: And then in 1983, the affordable housing development. In 1983, the remaining 3,305 lots were purchased by Arawak Homes Ltd. [01:25:01] Speaker C: Okay, now, now the remaining lots, from my experience, is being a builder. And you buy those lots, you buy that parcel of land. Shouldn't you have a land inspection on that land to see if that's wet land, to see if that land has. If you have to fill that land. [01:25:20] Speaker B: It should be properly surveyed. [01:25:22] Speaker C: Okay, then. So when you look at this, right, there is somewhere, and there's somehow that the developers have to take some. Well, we all know we had in climate change, the water table rising, but the developers have to take some sort of responsibility. [01:25:42] Speaker B: So wouldn't. Wouldn't the people in that area have to bring forth some type of class act to kind of force the hand of the developer? [01:25:52] Speaker A: The government could do it I don't. [01:25:53] Speaker C: Know, I don't know what type of action they do. But I was busy that day when they had that town hall meeting because I wanted to say something. I really wanted to express myself like this because is not fair. It's not fair on those persons in private. That's first. And it's not fair on any government, past and now present success developers, they have to take some sort of retribution and responsibilities. Brothers. [01:26:21] Speaker A: I totally agree. I know, I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. But the government can bring the action. The government. [01:26:27] Speaker C: And I hope they do. I hope so. I hope I can sit down and talk to some people in the movers and shakes of this country and they will do some sort of retribution to them developers, you know. And guess what? Listen to me. When we did a major development in this country, I'm not going to say what place that was, right? We had to raise the ground. We had to get. I think that's the cement, right? We had to get a certain type of cement because we were putting up making forms, right? For units to go on top. [01:27:08] Speaker B: Right? [01:27:09] Speaker C: When you're doing these things and these developers, too much shortcuts in this country. You know why? Because plan to you and you work in the ministry and because I is your friend, you know that, hey, this is enough cement to deport a second floor. But because I bring you that plan, boom, you ain't worried. But what happens now and saving with private gardens, this is what you call repercussions. This is what you call the long term effect of the developers. But brothers, y' all have a nice day. [01:27:44] Speaker B: You do. [01:27:46] Speaker C: Hey, bro. Hey. I listen to you a lot, right? But there's a topic. This ain't got nothing to do with no politics. No, this is, this, this type of topic. I love to speak because I speak as a Bahamian mommy and dad, someone who contributes, pays and supports people. [01:28:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:04] Speaker C: So I feel for them people in private. Trust me. [01:28:07] Speaker B: Me too. Me too. [01:28:08] Speaker C: All right. You all have a nice day, brother. [01:28:09] Speaker B: Thank you, man. My question would be. [01:28:11] Speaker C: No, he. [01:28:12] Speaker A: Listen, let me just say. Go ahead. [01:28:14] Speaker B: My question would be, how would the original initial developer be affected by that? [01:28:22] Speaker A: The initial developer is long gone. The guy who built the majority of the homes, who's still in the Bahamas and operating the government should bring some action against him to mitigate this and say, hey, okay, you built all these homes, all the, the, the, the, the, the chain of documents, who signed what, where and where. Where is the site plan? Where's the site survey? [01:28:50] Speaker B: As freedom of information. [01:28:53] Speaker A: But let me say something on freedom of information. Please, please say that a lot and a lot of Bahamians are interested. Just know even if it's pass, they can redact 90 of the document and give it to you and you couldn't read it. [01:29:04] Speaker B: Yes. So even if you get freedom information. [01:29:07] Speaker A: Just know it's not like, okay, well here, here's the letter with everything on it. No, they can redact tons of it because the government still has the control to release what they want to. But in the case of this situation, the government should bring action and the people could bring action through something called a petition. If all of them sign a petition, give it to their member of parliament, who then takes it to the prime minister to bring some resolution to this menacing area. Because all these little things that they try to do, it's not working. Because you need, you need quality engineering plan to fix this problem. It's not going to fix overnight. No, no, no, you can't put a band aid on this because it's becoming worse and worse. Right. And moving forward, we need some urban planning. We need to start designating properties that are unbillable and take a look at the new, at our building code and start to change it because we're seeing what's going on. You just can't keep going forward and going forward. And then flooded. [01:30:17] Speaker B: In taxi. The original pine developer only sold lots. Let's run back to the phone lines. They said original pinewood developer only sold lots. Sold lots. Okay, let's run back to the to the phone phone lines. Here on Guardian radio today. God calling you live. [01:30:32] Speaker C: Hello. [01:30:33] Speaker B: How you doing? [01:30:34] Speaker C: Good man. This is the curling again. I just want to speak to our home for a minute. [01:30:38] Speaker B: Yes, sir, go ahead. [01:30:42] Speaker C: Or any other private developer in my opinion cannot be held responsible for pirate garden. Excuse me, the persons to be held responsible has to be the government. It is a government stamped and approved subdivision. [01:31:08] Speaker B: So they just come to develop, in. [01:31:09] Speaker C: My opinion, came in and took the responsibility to fix their mistake. If I go to the government and say I want to make a subdivision here and the government gives me their stamp of approval, Whatever takes place after that, I think this is my opinion is a government issue. [01:31:31] Speaker A: You're right to a point. You're right to a point. But a builder, a builder should also recommend to the hazard on record, say, hey, even though you're giving me your site of approval, I'm letting you know the long term conditions is this area is pruned to flooding. [01:31:49] Speaker C: The government, the government. The government rights was to go through whatever document that I provide them with and they could have reject or accept in this case in Paris. [01:32:00] Speaker A: I agree. Listen, I agree with you, I agree with you. But country just got independent things booming. The government wasn't that smart. I'm not calling the initial initial guys uneducated, but I'm just saying the build. Listen, the builder should have also did some due diligence, even though he didn't have to because the government said the area was approved and good to go. But the builder should have done due diligence and say, hey, listen man, I'm a Bahamian, I build in these houses for Bahamian. We can't do this. We need to make some changes because the country, the country was a new country, right? [01:32:37] Speaker C: You know, but I'm only saying to you that the people, people cannot hold the building not responsible when the government. [01:32:44] Speaker A: Was overall in charge. [01:32:47] Speaker C: The government. [01:32:47] Speaker A: I hear you. I hear you. I hear you, I hear you. [01:32:51] Speaker B: I appreciate that point. [01:32:51] Speaker A: I agree with you to a point. But I still as a person who live in Pinewood would bring a petition against the builder also because why the builder had to warranty that. Okay, the builder had to. So you. So, so yeah, the government gave you the go ahead, but I bought the house from you and you build my. [01:33:14] Speaker C: The government should be protecting its people. So when the government gives approval, the government gives their style of approval to protect you, me and everybody else. [01:33:25] Speaker B: That's a good point. [01:33:26] Speaker C: Let's. [01:33:26] Speaker B: I won't get some more calls and thank you. Thanks, Mr. Curlin, appreciate you chiming in. Let me. Let's get the next caller here on Guardian radio today. [01:33:33] Speaker C: Hey, great shirt. How you doing? [01:33:35] Speaker B: I'm great, man. [01:33:36] Speaker C: Hey, radio. Yeah, I just would like to comment on certain topics, right. So this topic one, right, the building code is that you have to do build at least 2ft above grid, which is under any standard situation would be appropriate. The problem is that the rising sea levels and everything is rising and causing humongous problems. The second thing I want to come on can't comment on, right? You cannot blame the builders for building in Pinewood Area 1 1, right? At which point people can start using the practical sense. Think about it now. If you know Pinewood is flood rate or certain areas of sled, why would you even purchase the property there? Think about it. You don't think it's something because you. [01:34:21] Speaker B: Ain'T got nowhere else to go. [01:34:24] Speaker A: People didn't know that, man. People didn't innocent naive buyers. You did now. Now. Yeah, yeah, naive, naive who don't know nothing about houses. Relied on the government to develop a community and relied on a, a reputable builder to build their house. Where this rapid builder didn't even do a floodplain survey. Come on, man. [01:34:48] Speaker C: No, no, no, no. [01:34:52] Speaker B: Call her caller. Every five years we end up changing governments. We must see naive voters. [01:35:00] Speaker A: Go ahead, go ahead. [01:35:01] Speaker B: I ain't listening to the show. [01:35:02] Speaker A: Go ahead. [01:35:02] Speaker C: One thing I would like to admit with him and agree with him on right. Certain areas should not be built on the fact of one. I'll give you one area. Gladstone Road across from. You know where the fills is. Well, I forget what subdivision I think is Jubilee Gardens, is it? Yeah, Jubilee. God, the dump right there. Nowhere in this world you supposed to get approval that's an environmental health risk. Come on now. They wrong for that one right now, also, right. [01:35:38] Speaker A: You as the purchaser has the responsibility. [01:35:42] Speaker C: To do proper research when purchasing properties. [01:35:46] Speaker B: Yeah, but, but I give you that. [01:35:48] Speaker A: I give you that research. [01:35:50] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on, hold on. Where are you going to research? Hold on. Where are you going to research? [01:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:56] Speaker B: When you go into research, where you research in this country? [01:35:59] Speaker C: Okay, let me tell you something. You know what I do before I purchase a lot? [01:36:02] Speaker A: What? [01:36:03] Speaker C: The property. Right. I normally go around there and drive in the nighttime. [01:36:08] Speaker B: Anytime after hard rain, you go and you look. I go there in the hard rain. Yes. Yeah, but my thing is you say go do your proper research. This country, we ain't serious about people researching and knowing what's going on in this country. You, you, you. It's difficult to even know if y'. All, if your property is your property to get a clear idea. [01:36:33] Speaker C: Okay. You. Now you have to blame yourself for that then. [01:36:35] Speaker B: No, because you pay people to go and, and find out if the property clear and, and if the property still. It wouldn't be clear. That has happened. [01:36:42] Speaker C: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. [01:36:44] Speaker A: That's why they need to put a land registry so everything. But they don't want to do that because they like the quiet title of your property. [01:36:51] Speaker B: Ah, see? [01:36:52] Speaker C: So okay with the property situation, right? There's a reason. There's a reason for that. Lawyers only do title research is probably up to 20 years. Right. You realize some properties could have three title dates. Three. [01:37:05] Speaker B: Yes. [01:37:07] Speaker C: Listen to me now. Because you could have a property date from 90, from 1776, which predates the, the property with someone that. With the previous buyer. Husband. [01:37:18] Speaker B: Right? [01:37:19] Speaker C: So nowhere. [01:37:22] Speaker A: That's why they need. And that's why, that's, that's why they need the land registry so they could put in their post independence and prevent independence and see how this land title was transferred. [01:37:34] Speaker C: Let me tell you something. Over 20 years, easy. That's not an easy situation to clean up. You need to clean up, but it's not. It's not easy situation cleanup. Trust me on this. [01:37:44] Speaker B: I appreciate you calling. You running out of time. Let me try to get this last call in and then I got some announcements to make. Go ahead, call your life on Guardian radio today. [01:37:52] Speaker C: Professor, Uncle. [01:37:56] Speaker B: How you doing, man? [01:37:57] Speaker C: Your grammy boy. Listen quick. [01:37:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:59] Speaker C: Caller was a little off base. The last caller was a bit off base and he talking about doing due diligence. You. You got. You got a 50, 30,000 people looking for homes. How much of them you think qualified? Now the thing that's supposed to happen is that your builder, the person that builds your house is supposed to carry you along and do the due diligence with you. In this case, they had a vast builder. The same builder that took all the curry out there with the 78 group when they bought it from Mr. Peachtree. Mr. Petrie used to own that. And that place was not low. We used to go up in there to pick top Grammy to make dock and a lot of shale rock in there until they start digging out. Somebody knew the value of the rough and they started digging it up. So in this case, the government inspectors and the inspector that build the homes as should be as far because I know nothing about the house. Thanks for taking. [01:38:57] Speaker B: Thank you very much. Listen, I wish. [01:39:01] Speaker A: There you go. There you go. Some people could sign after David's. [01:39:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:04] Speaker A: And say, hey, this was the situation. But listen, you know, I know, I know. [01:39:09] Speaker B: I've seen videos with Lincoln being doing that, going around and show it and showing where they dug it out. And there have been other people. But you're right, there are people who could sign affidavits and say, look, man, this wasn't always like this. But go ahead, Dr. Thing, you give me your last thoughts. [01:39:24] Speaker A: No, no, go ahead, finish what you said and I'll close. [01:39:26] Speaker B: No, I just, I just wanted. I just want to first of all say that this issue, I don't think we need to politicize it. I think it's a very serious, serious issue because people are suffering right now and will continue to suffer because we're not really making a serious plan or solution to help the people in Pinewood and other surrounding areas where there is flooding. Like we had another caller talk about another area. Right. This country, we have a status quo and a Confusion in this country that people are benefiting from. And that needs to change. All right, I'm going to give you the last word and I got a quick announcement. Me, Go ahead. [01:40:13] Speaker A: Listen, I agree with that, but I would say right now, because, you know, political season is hot, but any government coming to any Bahamian citizen for support, the biggest question should be urban planning. How do you, how do you protect our homes? How do we move forward and fix these prone flooding areas? This is a big, big problem besides other problems. You know, crime's important also, but your home is a huge investment. You take 20 to 30 years to pay it off. [01:40:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:45] Speaker A: You know, it is, it is the business of the government. [01:40:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:48] Speaker A: The central government to solve these problems. [01:40:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:52] Speaker A: Bottom line, no matter how you try to point the finger to the builder, which the builders should be held accountable to, this is a problem to solve and they must solve it. As a voting citizen of the country and a homeowner and a taxpayer, they got to solve it. [01:41:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. [01:41:07] Speaker A: That's all I have to say there. But, but, but every time I come to the show, you know, I could have a bad day before, but I get a few good laughs out of it. So I do thank the callers and the conversation for giving me a good laugh. [01:41:18] Speaker B: Yeah, man, we got you back in a positive way. Exactly, exactly. Well, Z Live comes your way next. And please make sure you tune in to Z Live. There's a big announcement that's going to be made on Z live. I heard LeBron. I hear my son saying, Daddy, LeBron might retire. I don't know what happened. And they talking about some decision with LeBron. Well, Z live got a big, big decision. A big, big announcement coming up. So make sure you stay tuned here on 96.9 Guardian Radio fresh News, Smart talk all day. Namaste, family.