Guardian Radio Today - August 29 2025

[00:00:00] Speaker A: This is Guardian Radio, your station for up to the minute news and intelligent, interactive and engaging conversations. 96.9 FM. The views and opinions of the hosts and guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the management and staff of Guardian Radio. [00:00:27] Speaker B: Guardian Radio Today is brought to you by Alive. Burger King carries five fabric and uniform store, the Cleveland Clinic, Commonwealth Bank, Epic Battery, Popeyes Printmasters and Ron's Electric Motors. Good afternoon and welcome to Guardian Radio 96.9 FM. This is Erin Green and you're tuned into Guardian Radio Radio today on this Friday 29th August, 2025. If you want to hear what the people have to say, tune in to today. And joining me in studio is one of my most favorite guests to have in conversation with me. Welcome to studio, Mr. David Williams. [00:01:24] Speaker C: Thank you very much. It's a pleasure. And once again thank Guardian Radio Today for another opportunity to share the word today. [00:01:31] Speaker B: Absolutely. Mr. Williams is a men's advocate. [00:01:37] Speaker C: Yes, right, that's correct. [00:01:39] Speaker B: Focuses on social support services for at risk men in particular, but men generally to ensure that they never reach that level of risk. [00:01:55] Speaker C: Yes. [00:01:55] Speaker B: I'm so glad to have you in studio with me this morning. Mr. Williams is going to join me as we go through some of today's headlines. I want his perspective on some of the issues that we're going to be talking about this morning. I want to start the show. I have a bit of. With some announcements. I have a bit of sad news to begin the show today. [00:02:16] Speaker C: Yes. [00:02:17] Speaker B: I want to share information. This one is close to me and so it's taken me a minute to figure out how to say it. We have lost a treasure in the Bahamas. Today I share the passing of Ms. Kyla Faith Finlayson. [00:02:35] Speaker C: Okay. [00:02:35] Speaker B: Many of us know Kyla. Kyla was an artisan, a creative, a musician, an entrepreneur and a businesswoman. But most of all, she was a friend. [00:02:45] Speaker C: Okay. [00:02:46] Speaker B: She was a friend to friends and to family. [00:02:48] Speaker C: Right? [00:02:49] Speaker B: Right. She was a friend to everyone around her. Kyl passed away at the age of 52, far too young to be leaving this earth. Rural services of final rites and a celebration of Thanksgiving will take place on Saturday. That's tomorrow, August 30th at 12pm at Sweeting's Colonial Mortuary. That's number 84, Blue Hill Road, Nassau, New Providence. I just want to say, I know in particular the Hammerheads family, the rock and roll community, the Roc community in the Bahamas. We are all mourning the passing of Kyla. Ms. Kyla Faith Finlayson, may she rest in peace. Mr. Williams, today for the first segment of the day, I have the word of the day. Yes, right. The word of the day for today is a colloquial term coming from South Africa. But when I saw it, I said, hold on, this has to be the word of the day because it's so familiar to me as a Bahamian. So the word of the day is moggy. That's M O G G Y. I don't know if you ever heard of that. [00:04:09] Speaker C: I have only heard a person who I know is Morgan and so we call him moggy. [00:04:14] Speaker B: Yeah, now I know the term muggy. [00:04:17] Speaker C: Muggy it. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Muggy. You know that term? [00:04:18] Speaker C: Yes, I heard a lady I grew up with, we call her mugg. Muggy. [00:04:22] Speaker B: Have you ever heard the term used different in a different way? [00:04:24] Speaker C: No, not muggy. [00:04:26] Speaker B: No, no, I know, I know somebody named muggy too. But I heard muggy used to mean like hot and humid, like the weather muggy out there. It's so humid that you could almost feel the air sitting on your skin. [00:04:40] Speaker C: Yes. [00:04:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And so when I saw the word muggy, I thought, man, me in South Africa, we have to be cousins because we have muggy in the Bahamas. And they have this colloquial term called moggy. So moggy is an adjective, it's of a person, extremely irrational, out of touch with reality, having lost control of one's emotions or behavior, and use it in a sentence. Man, you seen John? I haven't seen John. Last time I saw John, he gone moggy, man. He's a little out of control. He's. Do you know the young people call it crashing out? [00:05:15] Speaker C: Oh, okay. That's a term I was not familiar with. That's what the young people say. [00:05:19] Speaker B: You're crashing out, you're crashing out. Okay, Right. And I think it's important for us as adults to understand the language of young people. [00:05:27] Speaker C: Yes. [00:05:28] Speaker B: Because they are creating language to describe the things that are happening to them or in, you know, happening in the spaces around them, the things they're doing. And so when I saw the term crashing out, I thought, yeah, we need to pay attention to this because young people, they've coined a term for not just sort of negative behavior. Right. But for problematic or dysfunctional behavior that they could see, they could define and they could describe. Right. And so you see, crashing out is when a person loses control. Like they get aggressive or they're going to fight or they're going to row and they lose control of their emotions, their emotional regulation, their self control. And that's Crashing out. And I thought, man, we should be paying attention because young people are telling us what's happening to them. They're telling us that they have poor emotional control or that. That many of them have poor emotional control. Right. And so that's why I chose the word moghi, because it's as far away as it could be. It's from South Africa, but it's so familiar, the term, the word, even though it has a different meaning and then. But what it describes, we are having the same sort of things popping up here. And then the young people have their own word for it or term. Crashing out. Crashing out. Yeah. That's what, that's what they call it when you get onto the YouTubes. So that is our word for today. What inspired this, Mr. Williams? I found this article yesterday. A carnival of words, Caribbean English in the Oxford English Dictionary. This was a September 2021 update. So in September 2021, the Oxford English Dictionary, in collaboration with the Dictionary of Caribbean English usage, and Dr. Jeannette Alsop, who's founder of the Richard and Jeanette Alsop center for Caribbean Lexicography. Right. They have compiled a group of words. They include Caribbean words that they included in the Oxford English Dictionary. So here are three Caribbean words or terms that were added to the Oxford English dictionary in September 2021. Hot dough bread. [00:08:01] Speaker C: Hot dough bread. [00:08:02] Speaker B: Now, you know, you know about hard dough bread? [00:08:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I think about the actual bread. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:08:07] Speaker B: I, I. The first time I heard of hard dough bread was in relation to Jamaica. Okay, Right. Hot dough bread that you did with cheese. [00:08:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:16] Speaker B: I don't know if hot dough bread is the same thing as bun on cheese. Right, okay. But I know hot dough bread. It good for tosin and. And warm butter with guava jam. Homemade guava jam. It's excellent. It's a dense white bread, typically rectangular in shape with a slightly sweet flavor. Second Caribbean entry I have on my list today, Manish water. [00:08:39] Speaker C: Manish water. Yeah. [00:08:41] Speaker B: You know what mannish water is? [00:08:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Brackish water. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Right. Brackish water is when salt water and fresh water are right next to each other, one on top of the other, and they mix slightly. Right, Right. That's correct. Brackish water. Mannish water is a Jamaican culinary. I won't call it an experience. Right. Mannish Water, 1968, I think, is its origin in Jamaican cooking. A thick soup made with goat offal and other ingredients such as yams, potatoes, green bananas and dumplings, typically served at social gatherings and popularly believed to have aphrodisiac properties. Now, I heard about mannish water all the time, but I didn't know exactly what it was. Okay, Right. I think they make it from the goat head. Right. And the innards. Right. The soft meat and the organ tissue and offal of the animal. And then the third entry, third and last entry for today is Hoppin John. Now, you know what Hoppin John is? [00:09:49] Speaker C: Never heard that word in my life. [00:09:51] Speaker B: Well, since we grading students today, let me grade myself. I had heard of Hoppin John, but I couldn't talk about it with confidence. [00:10:01] Speaker C: Okay. [00:10:02] Speaker B: I couldn't talk about it like I know this thing. Right, right. That guy's a Bahamian expert. But Hoppin John is Bahamian. 1838, I think is when first recorded use. It's a dish typically consisting of black eyed peas, rice, onion and bacon or pork. In the Bahamas and in some parts of the United States, the dish is traditionally eaten on New Year's Day to bring good luck. So when I read that, I thought, man, hold on. Peas and rice sound like peas and rice to me. Black eyed peas, bacon or pork, rice and onion sound like. Right. But I ain't sure. [00:10:40] Speaker C: It's interesting. Where did they get the name from? That name sound like. I wondered if whoever coined that somebody might have named John and they like to hop or. You know. Right. Like that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. And that's what they name it after. [00:10:51] Speaker B: The origin of the name. [00:10:52] Speaker C: The origin of it. Right. That's what I'm thinking. [00:10:54] Speaker B: I'm wondering, did the name come from the southern US States? You know, unfortunately, I didn't get to do a lot of research on each single name. Right. But what I found is that the dictionary of Bahamian English, along with the Dictionary of Jamaican English, the 2009 Dictionary of the English and Creole of Trinidad and Tobago, all of these dictionaries were used for the compilation for the 2021 Caribbean update. So Bahamas, we out there. We're out there. I wanted to read this because I wanted us to remember that our language has value, that we have our own language, which is Bahamian Standard English. [00:11:39] Speaker C: Bahamianese. [00:11:40] Speaker B: Yeah, but you don't have to call it Bahamianese. We call it Bahamian Standard English. Right. And then we got Bahamianese, which is Bahamian dialect. [00:11:49] Speaker C: Right. [00:11:49] Speaker B: Right. Now, I'm not a linguistic. Right. But what I do know is we got our own language and we could make up our own words. [00:11:57] Speaker C: Yes, definitely. [00:11:58] Speaker B: And I don't understand why we stop talking. Yeah, directly. Right. We could make up our own words. Even Chapello and Barat. [00:12:10] Speaker C: What's that? [00:12:11] Speaker B: These are two words that are two phrases or words that have been coined recently by a popular social media figure and have found instant use in common and everyday language. Right. That means I say that to say, you don't just have to be academic to make up new words. Right. But because it's the people, it's how they express themselves and the academics, they come down to the people. They don't tell us what we say and they listen to what we saying and they document it. [00:12:45] Speaker C: While you were saying that yes would come to mind. We know the word afi. Davis. I got to go get an aft. Davis. [00:12:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:52] Speaker C: You know, so you grow up here in Aftadevis, and then you learn that is not the correct way that should be pronounced. [00:12:58] Speaker B: You say it's affidavit, as opposed to after David or after David. [00:13:02] Speaker C: Yeah, but Mommy, I used to tell you that you go, oh, I gotta go get after David. [00:13:05] Speaker B: But guess what? In many instances, nobody's wrong. Nobody's wrong. Right. The way we pronounce words is also based on the way that our mouths work and our tongues work. Right. And then what we find is that people from specific regions, their mouths work differently. [00:13:27] Speaker C: Right. Yeah. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Now, you know I went to qc, so I bougie to do. I had a standard British education. [00:13:34] Speaker C: Yes. [00:13:35] Speaker B: In fact, I sometimes I cringe when I hear people say things like females and fruits and shrimps. It's me. It's my problem. I mean, maybe not shrimp. Shrimps is not a word, people. But I cringe a little bit. Right. But there are times when I have to remind myself that that's my problem. That's not these other people problem. There's nothing wrong with the way that they are pronouncing these words. It is the way that they pronounce these wor. So, Mr. Williams, we got a caller on the line. I'm going to entertain this caller and then I'm going to tell you the word that I always thought that people were pronouncing incorrectly, but it turns out that they weren't. But we're going to go to the caller first. Good morning, caller. [00:14:11] Speaker D: Good morning, Ms. Green. Yes. How are you doing? [00:14:13] Speaker B: Good, thank you. [00:14:13] Speaker C: How you do? [00:14:14] Speaker B: Welcome to Guardian Radio. [00:14:15] Speaker D: Today you are ain't ready, Mark, because you all didn't bring up the most popular word ever. Tell me Sauchus. [00:14:21] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:14:22] Speaker B: Sorcha as well. I have the question for you. What word, what Bahamian word are you submitting for the next OED update? So you putting Sausages on the table. [00:14:34] Speaker D: You got to put sauces. [00:14:35] Speaker C: Okay, how is it pronounced properly? Tell me the proper way. [00:14:39] Speaker B: Sausages in Bahamian standard English. [00:14:43] Speaker D: Sausage. [00:14:43] Speaker C: Oh, right. So the proper way is sausage, but we saying sausage. [00:14:47] Speaker B: Okay, hold on, let me, let me. [00:14:49] Speaker D: Sausage tastes different than sausage, though, you know. [00:14:51] Speaker B: Of course it does. It'll be singed for the optimal flavor. So sausage is the standard British English and American English way of saying it? [00:15:01] Speaker C: Yes. [00:15:01] Speaker B: Sauches I'm declaring is the Bahamian standard way of saying it. Yeah, yeah. [00:15:08] Speaker D: And you can get one more word. You're forgetting too. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Yes, sir. Give me the word tree. I mean three and three. You. You buy me a tree pocket and you box three. Good stuff. Listen, as we go to the break, I can tell you all what my word is right now. The word is ask. And all my life I used to cringe when I hear people saying axe. But it turns out that axe aks that pronunciation is a correct pronunciation. It is an old English pronunciation and we moved away from it. And some people just continue to say it that way. And so when you hear somebody say acts right, don't cringe and put up your British ears, you know, you just say. Okay, well, that's another way of saying it dialectically. Yes, I think that's the word. Anyway, whether you're asking or you're asking, I'll tell you. Stay tuned. Guardian radio today. We'll be right back. [00:16:19] Speaker A: Hey, you upgraded to Sand Dollar Wallet 2.0 yet? No, but I heard the updated Sand. [00:16:24] Speaker D: Dollar app was launched. 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Don't forget, you can still visit Ron's Electric Motors on Wolf Road and Claridge Road. And now Ron's new location on Cowpen Road. Dial 356-0249 or 323-5267. This is Guardian Radio, 96.9 FM. Fresh news, smart talk all day. [00:18:37] Speaker B: Good afternoon and welcome back to Guardian Radio today. This is Erin Green sitting in with you on this Friday 29th August, 2025. In the break, I got a lot of texts with suggestions. One person said, first of all, hoppin John sound just like peas and rice. Black eyed peas and rice as. I thought the same thing, right? But they didn't describe time. They didn't describe the time or the tomato in the hoppin John. But it gotta be a, it has to be a relation, right? There has to be a relation. Okay. A text is sent in. They suggested, are we gonna put muddo? Are we gonna put muddo in the Caribbean Dictionary of Caribbean English Usage? And I thought, well, you're gonna put muddo. Are you gonna put muddo? Mudasek muddo or mother take sick. Right. Or is muda take sikh a conjugation of muddo. Right. And that's why I like Dictionary of Caribbean English Usage. Cause it recognizes that not only do we have our sort of our own words, but we also use words differently as when we speak. Mr. Williams. [00:19:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Words from when you were young. Just quickly before we go, words from when you were young that you all used to use that you wish had made it into common language or words that we don't know were really like, came into popular use when you were young. [00:20:10] Speaker C: Now I can tell you that's why I said you got to refresh my memory. I just a little bit younger, longer than you. So, so, so give me some words and then I could, I could take it from there. [00:20:19] Speaker B: So look at. To recti was directly in common use when you was growing up. [00:20:24] Speaker C: Directly. But that's all we know we ain't know nothing else better than directly. [00:20:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:20:29] Speaker C: We didn't know another replacement or another word for that. Somebody got to call us and tell us. I come in directly. That's all we know. [00:20:37] Speaker B: All right, well, listen, we're going to transition to our first story of the morning, of course, in today's headlines, B national average still pegged at D grade. Right. We're reading from. That's the headline in today's Tribune and In today's Guardian, 22% get C or above in three key subjects. The Ministry of Education announced on Thursday that of the 1684 candidates who sat five or more of the Bahamas General Certificate of Secondary Education examinations, a total of 37.2% or 627 candidates obtained a grade of C or higher. Again, of the 1684 candidates who sat five or more BGCSEs, a total of 37.2%, or 627 candidates obtained a grade of C or higher. A total of 6,103 candidates from 108 centers sat the 2025 BGCSE examinations, an increase from 2024, which saw a total of 5,934 candidates. So before we get into the stats, Mr. Williams, do you think Bahamian students would do better, would perform better in exams if lessons were presented in Bahamian Standard English as opposed to British Standard English? You think students would feel more comfortable in the classroom if they were using language that they were more comfortable with? [00:22:35] Speaker C: You notice I smile because definitely I believe that that's the case. But then I thought about it. I thought there would be those on the other side, say, well, we got to teach them the proper way or the Queen English. [00:22:46] Speaker D: Right? [00:22:46] Speaker C: But I mean, for me, even when I look back at my earlier years, it would have made it much easier because at the end of the day, the key is really understanding what I'm learning, right? And again, put it this way, the Jamaicans, the barbarians and others, they did not necessarily learn it. And even today they don't speak the Korean English like we do, but they have a good grasp of this same information. One of the things, and this have nothing to do with your question, but I think the conditions, the situation affects the learning ability. I mean, let's face it, so obviously if I'm home, things are at home, I don't have a solid meal and I'm dealing with domestic violence in the home. And you can go, I mean, let's be real. [00:23:29] Speaker B: And you worried about the Queen's English. [00:23:32] Speaker C: You see my point? [00:23:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:33] Speaker C: And so it's difficult now for me as a child to come to school and to really focus on school when things in the home is not. [00:23:43] Speaker B: So the issues that we need to focus on to improve academic performance, many of them may sit outside the classroom and require dire focus. I got you. Okay, let's stick a pin there, right? And let's go to the phone line. Good morning, caller. [00:24:01] Speaker D: Hey, good morning. How are you? [00:24:02] Speaker B: Good, thank you. How are you? [00:24:04] Speaker D: I'm great. I got three words for you. [00:24:06] Speaker B: Okay, we ready? [00:24:07] Speaker D: I know. You should know the first one. Blancia. You know what? Blanche here. [00:24:10] Speaker C: I know you, man. [00:24:11] Speaker B: Okay, that sound like somebody swing me, and I just wake up from the swing. [00:24:16] Speaker D: No, Blancia is like, you're not from here. You ain't belong here, but it belongs here. [00:24:21] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:24:22] Speaker C: Oh, yes, I pick it up now. [00:24:23] Speaker B: I got you. Okay. [00:24:29] Speaker D: Is like you have a phone, and I say, give it to me. [00:24:32] Speaker B: Oh. [00:24:34] Speaker C: You go way back. [00:24:36] Speaker D: Now the other one. The other one is. Is like, I see you tall. Did I say at all? [00:24:42] Speaker C: Yes, I remember that one. Yes. [00:24:44] Speaker D: Tall. [00:24:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:46] Speaker D: Those are three words. I just wanted to chime in and drop in your spirit a little bit. [00:24:50] Speaker B: Absolutely. Thank you. [00:24:55] Speaker D: And tall. [00:24:57] Speaker B: Nice. Nice. Thank you very much, Carla. You know, so what if it. What inspired this segment is I saw this little clip where a Caucasian mother was having a play date, and the kids friends were African American, right? And they were out. And this another Caucasian woman came, and while the girl. The African American girls were explaining the history of their braids and why they braid their hair the way they do, this white woman came over and said, you brainwashing these little white children. And the Caucasian mother explained to her that, no, no, no, these girls are just sharing their culture and their history, right? And then she shared with the girls. You know, when people. When people who were enslaved, they would plait rice into their hair to keep it and hide it to take it home with them, right? Sometimes they plot messages for each other in the hair. And then with the language, right. That we. Because we were not allowed to read and write, we developed language like codes, so the master, the oppressors, could not understand what it was we were saying to each other, right? So when he said, give me a. Yeah. And then I thought, okay, these are the things that you. You. You have to know to know. [00:26:17] Speaker C: Yes. [00:26:18] Speaker B: And if you don't know, you ain't gonna understand what we talking about at all. [00:26:21] Speaker C: That's correct. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Absolutely. Getting two callers on the line. Let's go to the phone line. Good morning. [00:26:26] Speaker D: I got two more for you. [00:26:27] Speaker B: Two more words. Let's go. [00:26:29] Speaker D: Okay. I hope you don't need me when I. When I say this now. [00:26:32] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:26:34] Speaker D: Nani, the nanny truck. Coming. [00:26:37] Speaker B: Okay, so for this academic exercise, we have accepted that word. You know why? Because it is. I think it's also used in a couple of other Caribbean territories as well, for. To describe what we call defecation. Right. Human race. Yeah. And the cesspit truck. [00:26:57] Speaker C: Right. [00:26:58] Speaker B: So we do use it here. I don't know. I mean, I can. I can put it in for submission. I could put it in for submission. [00:27:05] Speaker D: Somebody. [00:27:06] Speaker C: Oh, Jack, that's a. That's a part. We keep fighting words. Oh, yeah. [00:27:10] Speaker B: I don't know if we could submit fighting words. But. But we have phrases. I know that. We have phrases that are like that. You're saying that, but people don't realize you saying that. And while you saying that to them, they smiling like, what a wonderful compliment. Regardless of my mother. [00:27:29] Speaker C: You mean now? Because in our days growing up, that was a fighting word. [00:27:33] Speaker B: No, that's what I'm saying. It is fighting word. They use a bit of British diplomacy. [00:27:39] Speaker C: Okay. [00:27:39] Speaker B: They telling you that, but you don't realize that's what they told you until you get home. [00:27:44] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I remember that one Yama that stand out. Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:27:48] Speaker B: We need to take that out of our lexicon, I tell you why. Because we have inculcated into our young people an unnecessary bravado, you know? But we can get to that in a moment. Let's go to the phone line. Good morning, caller. [00:28:03] Speaker D: Is that me? [00:28:04] Speaker B: Yes, that's you. [00:28:05] Speaker D: Quality data, Stack, you know, Stack, you know, it's audio. Aaron. And Mr. Williams, I done got his name because I'm way off from the. From VR. [00:28:14] Speaker C: Yeah. Mr. Williams, Bremen. [00:28:16] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. What's saying. What's saying? [00:28:17] Speaker C: All is well, sir. I know we're familiar with each other on the radio. [00:28:21] Speaker D: Yeah. But what I want to say. Right. Speaking of correctly. Right. Directly. Pardon me. Pardon me. Directly. That is like saying if your parents or somebody were to call you, right. And you didn't go or didn't come right away, it means somebody would say, well, I'm coming soon. Somebody would say. Somebody else would say, I'm coming directly. [00:28:48] Speaker C: Directly. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You're bringing back memories, Brim, and you're bringing memories back. [00:28:52] Speaker D: Yes, thank you. [00:28:54] Speaker B: Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you, Raymond. [00:28:56] Speaker D: You're welcome. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:28:57] Speaker C: Yes, I remember that one directly. Yeah, yeah. [00:28:59] Speaker B: If you don't get home now. [00:29:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:02] Speaker B: The cut behind could be there directly. Yeah, faster than you could get home. Good morning, caller. [00:29:08] Speaker D: Yes, good morning, Ms. Green. And good morning, guests. [00:29:10] Speaker B: Good morning, sir. How you doing? [00:29:11] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm all right, Ms. Green. I heard you all talking about language and different things. Like, I didn't catch the full. Full show, but I just wanted to split them up. I kind of. I mean, you know how we speak of Bahamian dialect, right? I think what we need to do, mom, is we need to learn how to speak proper English. Still now, it's okay to be able to speak the Bahamian dialect, but I feel as if we need to encourage proper English because proper English should be spoken in a certain type of way, you know, furthermore, exams, et cetera. Proper English now, you know, I thank Nikki Kelly, you know, God bless. You know what I mean? She passed away recently, but I remember reading one of her columns one time ago, and she was talking about how we use double negatives. I mean, like, you may say, look, yeah, I don't want none. You know, so she said that it's supposed to be, I don't want any. Yeah, you understand where you're coming from. So you know what I mean? And to be honest with you, when you speak proper English, it's a symbol of. To me, of intelligence. Do you understand where I come from to be able to master the English language? Because you know what I mean? You can't write, like, if you take an exam or write an essay in an exam, you can't write the Bahamian dialect. You have to write proper English. You understand, where I come from, so to. So even. So it's okay to be able to speak the Bahamian dialect or whatever, but I feel as if we need to master and teach children proper English because how we speak is how we think. Do you understand where I'm coming from so quick? Because I can remember someone was on a show one time ago, and it was, like, kind of encouraging and saying it's okay for us just to be speaking this dialect thing. I think it's wrong if we speak English. Speak it as properly as we can, as opposed, you know, you understand, I come from. Let's be bilingual, be able to speak proper English. [00:30:56] Speaker B: Stick a pin, but don't go nowhere. That's why I stick in the pin. When I say stick the pin, I want you pause, but don't go nowhere because we get to talk. [00:31:03] Speaker D: I didn't hear you stick until you just. [00:31:05] Speaker B: Good. So I only said it just now. Watch this. So I agree with you, right, that in 2025, in the 21st century, it is important for any young person preparing to navigate the world to have a. Not just a grasp on what we call British Standard English, Queen's English, but King's English now. No, Charles is my cousin. You don't know nothing about that. But the Queen. Okay, Lizzie, I could call Auntie. Right. It's important for us to be able to master it. Right? I agree with you. Capacity as a skill set, right? Yes, ma', am, I think. But I treat it like code switching. Yes, right. [00:31:48] Speaker D: Yes. [00:31:49] Speaker B: Now, for a sense of self and identity, we must also ensure that Bahamians understand the full breadth and scope of their own language. But I agree with you that in. In the 21st century, if you want to navigate this world, you got to understand that English also. English is one of the harder of the languages to mass. To master. Right. And so it requires work. But I want young people to feel a sense of self just as strong when they say I going down directly as when they say. [00:32:30] Speaker D: A bastardized language too. [00:32:33] Speaker B: As well as well. Listen, I want to thank you for that commentary. Thank you. You have a great day. Listen, don't go nowhere. We go into a break. When we come back from the break, we got another segment on Guardian Radio today. So stay tuned to Guardian Radio 96.9. We'll be right back. When it comes to hearts at Cleveland Clinic, you can't miss a beat. You seek the best care possible. Work with the brightest minds unturned to get to the heart of the matter. Because understanding is always the first step to overcoming for every heart in the world. See how we're advancing the future of heart care at Cleveland Clinic today. [00:33:31] Speaker A: Don't settle for ordinary when you can have the Farmhouse King only at Burger King Nassau. [00:33:36] Speaker B: It's back. [00:33:38] Speaker A: Sink your teeth into 100% flame grilled beef stacked with crisp bacon, melty American cheese, crispy onions, a fried egg, and the bold sauce that adds the perfect kick for a flavor sensation fit for a king. Grab the Farmhouse King as a combo with fries and a drink or go all in with the Farmhouse King's Feast. It's bigger, it's better, and it's only at Burger King Nassau. [00:34:02] Speaker B: Girl, you see how Cora eye look funny? All black up yesterday. But she say she bump into a wall when she's running after the Churn dam. Yeah, but last Saturday, you see her arm is all black and Bl blue, right? What you saying? You think something wrong between her and Jack? I ain't sure. But you know Jack is a jealous man. I hear him And Cora, last Friday, I hear him say he hear Cora have eyes for junior. Now you know that ain't true. Cora is a good woman. Does mind her business, take care of them turn and go to church every Sunday. So what you think we should do? I think we should report Jack. You know, Corey don't say nothing but silence hides violence. And we don't want to line up in the cemetery. Not me. I ain't getting in nobody business. Then jack up. No, man. We could call a text girl crime stopper. And remember, we can even get some grocery money for our tip. Remind me, getting out of this work, we can call them in Miami at 328TIPS or 328-8477 or when we in the island called toll free at 300 Tips or 300 8477. And if you don't have no minutes, use the crack crime Bahamas app. And we could text them and the messages get on mix up. Mix up before it leave your phone so nobody can know what you saying. So we're waiting on. Then let's go earn some grocery money. [00:35:04] Speaker A: This is Guardian Radio, 96.9 FM. Fresh news. Smart talk all day. [00:35:20] Speaker B: Good afternoon and welcome back to Guardian Radio today. This is Erin Green at the mic and we got a caller that's been waiting through the break. Good morning, caller. [00:35:29] Speaker D: Hey, morning, miss. Yes, you can tell sweet Jesus being given the worst watches. We can speak proper English, but we ain't giving up the words for nothing in the world. [00:35:41] Speaker C: You're right. [00:35:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:35:42] Speaker B: We ain't giving up sauces. [00:35:43] Speaker D: No. No suches. [00:35:45] Speaker B: See, because if it don't burn when you fry it, I ain't sure if it's so us. [00:35:50] Speaker D: No, it can't be such as. [00:35:52] Speaker B: I just saying. Thank you. Look here. Thank you very much. And this, this segment for me is important because I tell you, it's me. I'm the problem. I am the QC student. I'm the one that flinches when you say females and shrimps and scrimps and fishes and ting, right? And I'm the one that has to remember that language is fluid and rules around language is really imperialism, right? We get to set our. See, we get to set our own rules. We get to set our own language. All of us should wake up every day and say, I got a little Jesse Jackson in me. I go make up a new word today, right? That's what he was famous for. And it builds a sense of self, like, so being able to master other languages is important, right? It gives you a sense of self and your ability to navigate the world, but understanding and being able to master your own language, which then leads you to a place where you could continue to grow, grow it and add to it. It brings you a sense of self and identity that'll carry you through the world. Right. And so I wanted to tie that segment into the education segment because I think what we need to do is focus on the soft skills like the soft spaces, like how do we open young people up to education? We know the teachers are trying to. [00:37:15] Speaker C: Let me go on, here's something. And yeah, I followed the BJC results too. When I was in school, Aaron, which was ladies and gentlemen, many, many years ago, I came to up to the technical system. I don't believe we have placed as much emphasis on it then, I mean now as we did then. Example, I went to the big dollhouse, cc, Seaton, Cobras. We had an electrical section, we had a plumbing section, we had a technical drawing section. You understand me now that set the pace for me because when I left school I went to Tail Industries and then on to bec. Right? So I kind of stayed in that field in that line. But the point is, I think that if we can focus more, right. For those identify early from primary school, those who are into academics, send them in that direction and those who are into the technical field. Because I learned a lot of stuff in school I never used from then. [00:38:10] Speaker B: So pause. Here's what I feel. I think both have value. [00:38:14] Speaker C: Yes. [00:38:14] Speaker B: Because I'm a tech person, computer science, I mean the math, but computer science I did technical drawing, physics. Right. That many people, they learn the things through the right technical and vocational programming. Right. It's not to say that what we call the academics are not important to the people who are in the vocational and technical space. Right? [00:38:41] Speaker C: Right. [00:38:41] Speaker B: But I found that people I've interacted with is those skills that we expect academic space. In the properly constructed technical vocational space, those same skills are learned. [00:38:55] Speaker C: Gave you a classic example. I also went to btvi, right. So I spent less time academic. I learned how to entrepreneurship, I learned those things which helped to develop my own business. But I didn't spend much time with maths figures and any calculations. I learned, I learned the calculations in terms of the wiring system which benefited me. But I spent more time out there in the field the practical as well as I got the technical knowledge. So that's what I'm saying. The academic side of it should be geared towards that specific skill that you learn. Right? Because the other stuff wouldn't Be no help to me. [00:39:32] Speaker B: Right. [00:39:32] Speaker C: Or the very, I should say not no help. [00:39:34] Speaker B: The that doing this this way brought you to the place where you understood where those things you would have learned in academia fit in. Right. Like we don't expect to use them every day. But you expected to know when you will need to use them and if you don't have them, do you know how to find them? Like the parent who says, boy, look here, a friend called me, say, boy, look here, Green, I need some help. You did math in school, I need some help. I gotta help this child with these fractions. [00:40:05] Speaker C: Right. [00:40:05] Speaker B: The parent who says, I don't know how to do fractions, but you know what I know how to do? Identify people who do know how to do fractions and find those resources and bring them to my kids. Right. And those are some of the skill sets that I think that young people are not gaining, gleaning or grasping in the academic. Academic setting. [00:40:27] Speaker C: I'll tell you another story. Yeah, yeah, not story, sorry. A young man struggled through private school all his life. Right. He went to 10th grade, he had to do classes to go on to 11, 11 on to the 12th. Right. All his life that same young man went away to a technical school and went to a level you would not believe. But yet even for the last three years, he struggled through high school academia. [00:40:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think it's our approach to education and academics that may be the problem. We're not diverting students to technical and vocational programs because we think they're dummies. And this is all that's correct. We're directing them there because we think that this is the infrastructure or the construct within which they will learn best. And the technical and vocational spaces are designed to teach a technical skill and then the academic base that you need for that technical skill and do it in a way that somebody who's less blackboard minded can absorb it and access it. [00:41:34] Speaker C: Yes. [00:41:34] Speaker B: Right. I think the problem isn't the students. [00:41:37] Speaker C: Right. [00:41:37] Speaker B: The issue is our approach to education. [00:41:42] Speaker C: That's correct. [00:41:43] Speaker B: Who it's for, who we think is for and who we think deserves it. Right. Because if we acknowledge that everybody deserves it, then we will then acknowledge that we have to deliver to them in a way that they can access it. Mr. Williams, we got a caller on the line. Good morning, caller. [00:42:00] Speaker D: Hey, good morning, Aaron. [00:42:01] Speaker B: Good morning. [00:42:02] Speaker D: And good morning, Dave. [00:42:04] Speaker C: Yes, good morning, Good evening. [00:42:07] Speaker B: Yeah, you live in that good life. [00:42:09] Speaker D: Listen, Aaron, you and I had this discussion about this day average thing that one morning on Donald. Teacher. I don't believe like I told you, I don't believe in this foolishness. Just a bunch of foolishness, okay? Because when you taking people who ain't supposed to be in something and put them in there, all they're doing is bringing down the average, right? You know, true story here I have two nephews from the same mother. One went to private school, one went to government school. You know who's the millionaire today? [00:42:40] Speaker B: The, the government school. [00:42:42] Speaker D: The government school, yeah. But today that man, that young man is a millionaire. Les Brown who was, he was labeled as DT to dumb twin. And you know which one of the twins is the millionaire billionaire today? [00:42:58] Speaker B: The dumb one. [00:43:00] Speaker D: The dumb one, yeah. And a lot of these same A, B and C average people, they got away for. The average people? Yes, the average people. You know who they are? [00:43:12] Speaker B: Tell me. [00:43:13] Speaker D: The plumbers, the electricians, all them other skilled workers making millions of money. [00:43:18] Speaker C: That's right. [00:43:19] Speaker D: And people who are working in the bank dressing up and what's not, they gotta go and do these people books now. [00:43:25] Speaker B: You know, this is the issue just less education. [00:43:29] Speaker D: It's supposed to pull out of the individual whatever God has put into them. All of us, we have different abilities, some more than others. And the teacher is there to along with the parents and whatnot is to pull out those gifts that God has placed in them so that they can be a benefit to society. [00:43:52] Speaker B: Listen, thank you very, thank you so much. Because it speaks to the, to policy and the education model. It's 2025. We know that education is not a one size fits all business. You can't force a student through a particular, you know there's one single model and think that every student is going to perform optimally. [00:44:14] Speaker C: Let me put in a plug for Dr. David Allen. Every Saturday we meet at 4 to 5:30 at St. Michael's Methodist Church. Dr. Allen, I went a session, it is a man, they call it man cave man meeting. And I want to invite all the men out. My number is 433-6917. Dr. Allen pulled something out of me. I didn't realize it and maybe that might have affected me. I told him when I was in primary school I could not say my two times table. You know what a teacher did to me? The teacher took the pen the times table on my forehead. Dr. Allen said that's shame she shame you. That could have affected me because she tell me I ain't going to be nobody. I ain't going to be no good. Could it be from a child I grew up because she did that to me, that kind of affected me in terms of academic academia maybe, because I'm thinking I can never be no good, right? And eventually I went to what technical. But my point is, I'm saying, but had I been pointed in that direction or had I been realized that this is my strong era, it would make a difference. And so I want to invite. I want to use my last minute to, to invite men. Men, Dr. Allen, have an excellent program. We meet at St. Michael's Methodist Church. I've been there for the fourth time. Men sit around hearing and men share their story. And then Dr. Allen shared from a professional perspective, Listen to me. Some things I discovered in my own life and things that men discovered in their lives. It has helped them. It has helped them. And so I want to say to the men, 433-6917, come out tomorrow, okay? If you need to call me, if they call you after the show and they need my number, just give it to them. You don't need my permission. [00:45:48] Speaker B: Repeat it again. [00:45:49] Speaker C: 433-6917. This is a space where men need, where men can sit around males only and talk about their challenges. And listen here and listen. [00:46:01] Speaker B: When you have that conversation and you pull out of yourself, no way. That did impact me that for the rest of my life. I feel it now. You better prepare to sit with your kids and say, hey, listen, I see you're not doing too well in this class. Is this something that happened? Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me. Something that happened that caused you to not like this class? Because guess what? I didn't like this class. And be honest with them, right. I didn't like this class at all when I was in school. [00:46:26] Speaker C: Yes. [00:46:26] Speaker B: I had to be very honest. I had to learn to love school. I had to learn to focus. Right. I didn't like these things. I had to learn, learn. So tell me where you having difficulty so I could help you to also learn. And learn to know yourself and what you need so you could guide your academic journey. So by the time you hit ninth grade and you decide, you could decide what bjcs you want to do with confidence. You could decide what BGCSE's you think you could do with confidence. You could go to your teacher from 10th grade and say, listen, teach, I know I ain't doing too well in math, right? [00:47:02] Speaker C: Yes. [00:47:02] Speaker B: But I really want to try and get into this Rocket Club extracurricular. You could help me get my math up. Give your kids, instill that degree of confidence in them. Mr. Williams, once again, Saturday, Yes. Man caved. [00:47:16] Speaker C: Man cave. So tomorrow, 4pm to 5:30. Man cave. St. Michael's Methodist Church, right there on. Oh, it's in the Chippenham area. I forget the street, but call me 433-6917. [00:47:28] Speaker B: Thank you for joining me for this first hour of Guardian Radio today. Mr. Williams, I'm gonna have you back because we need to hear what men are saying. All the men from all the spaces. You guys stay tuned. After the break. I have another special guest in studio. This is Erin Green, Guardian Radio Today, 96.9 FM. [00:48:06] Speaker A: This station for up to the minute news and intelligent, interactive and engaging conversations. 96.9 FM. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Good afternoon and welcome back to Guardian Radio Today with Erin Green. Welcome back to the show. We're in our second hour and I want to move on to a new segment, but I let you know right now I've got a guest in studio and I'm going to tell you who it is. It is the Mr. Maurice Tynes, former clerk to the Parliament. I get plenty, plenty questions to ask Mr. Tynes today. And I let you all know. You could hear the excitement in my voice because I don't know if I'm supposed to call him sir or uncle or cousin, right? But what I do know is I'm excited to have him in studio. So we're going to run through one quick segment. I got a couple of questions for the audience and then I've got a lot of questions for Mr. Tynes. But we can't miss out this story. Also on the front page of both of the dailies, FNM ratifies seven more candidates. The FNM last night ratified an additional seven candidates. We have Mr. Travis Robinson, former Bain and Grantstown MP. He has been ratified for Fort Charlotte. Funeral Director Dennelee Penn Mackey was ratified for Southern Shores. Senator Michaela Barnett Ellis, ratified for Killarney. Other candidates include Trevania Clark hall for Sea Breeze, Lincoln Deal for Freetown. Heather McDonald for roll for tall pines. That completes the seven PLP said the announcement. Of course, I'm reading from the article. The announcement only serves to prove what Bahamians already know. Well, I know what I already know. Bahamians is clean up nice, eh? They clean up nice. I love it. Anyway, I thought it was a great display. I need to learn more about the politics of these people. But from this look here on today's paper, I'd be proud to be represented by this group of people, right? We know it's more than just optics. And this seven, they join another 17 candidates who were ratified. We're going to read from this article briefly. Blue Johnson says support will make their presence felt at FNM ratification tonight. [00:50:59] Speaker A: Blue. [00:50:59] Speaker B: Mr. Johnson, let me find Andrew Blue Johnson was an aspirant for Freetown. Unfortunately, he found out last night that he was not selected. But he had a good showing, good community support. It was impressive. And so the seven we just announced will join this 17 that have already been ratified. Dr. Jacqueline Penn Knowles for Marathon, Dr. Nicholas Fox for Fox Hill, Deborah Moxie Role for the Exumas in Ragged Island, Omar Isaacs for West Grand Bahama and Bimini. Philippa Kelly for Central and South Eleuthera and Brian Brown for Golden Isles. And let me make this note. Mr. Brown is a British Empire medal recipient. That's what the article says. Incumbents Kwesi Thompson, East Grand Bahama and Adrian White, St. Anne's were also ratified. Former MPs from the Minnesota administration who are reentering the political fray include Michael Fowkes, Golden Gates, Marvin Dames, Mount Mariah, North Andrus and the Berry Islands, Ellsworth Johnson Yamakura and Ricky Mackey. North Eleuthera. Senator Darren Henfield, who previously represented North Abaco, will now run in South Beach. So I had a couple of quick questions that I, I mean, I couldn't put these questions too bad last night while I was putting this together. Let's start at the bottom right. Is changing constituencies for incumbents? Is changing constituencies. Constituencies a sign of weakness? Is it a sign of weakness? And I guess I'm going to follow that question up with should we seriously and strongly encourage and compel MPs to only vie for ratification in constituencies they live in and should we put that social pressure on them? Because then the only way you could change constituencies is if you change addresses locations. The general question, how is the Red Team shaping up for you now that we have 24 candidates announced? Seven and seven is 14. Yeah, still there. It's still there. Do not deserve to be there. Now, I get the impression that the FNM has taken time to select these individuals because we have people like Mr. Renwood Wells who had expressed, I guess, what's the word? I want to be very general here. I'm not casting any aspersions on him, but he was disappointed that he had not been ratified as of yet. Still space. Maybe we will see him on the table. But do any of the incumbents that you see deserve to be there? And how do the new F and M to the current MPs and COI contenders. Producer. Let's go to the phone line. Quickly, callers. We only got a few moments for this segment. Good morning, caller. [00:54:15] Speaker D: Good morning, Ms. Graham. Any question? [00:54:17] Speaker B: Yes. [00:54:17] Speaker D: We don't feel sorry for anyone who run against Gladys, and you don't feel. [00:54:22] Speaker B: Sorry for anybody who run against Glennis. Okay, so what the call, if you didn't catch it, what the caller said was, you don't feel sorry for anybody who runs against Glenis, Hannah Martin. And caller, I gonna match that with this. I am impressed by anybody that runs a substantive campaign against Glenn. Hannah Martin. I am impressed by that candidate that says there's a preponderance of doubt, right? Like Glennis is a sure win. But I'm still going to go out and run a full campaign and put my best foot forward. That's why for me, I'm in St. Anne's constituency, which is supposed to be an FNM stronghold. I let. Whenever the contenders come through, I let them know. You want to impress people in this constituency. Run a strong campaign. Don't act like you're just here to fill the numbers. And here's how it may benefit you in the long run. Say St. Anne's that area remains an FNM stronghold. You still got a good record to run on. If you get selected for another constituency, you still put in the work. And that's what residents want to see. They want to see you trying, even though you know you cannot win because you're not doing it for the prize, you're doing it for the people. All right, producer, let's prep that next caller, I got another question on the line. Is the Davis administration likely, and if they do, which F and M contender will get the call that's surmising that FNM have already selected their full slate. They're just not announcing them all now. What if the. What if the Davis admin, not the plp. What if the Davis administration adds another seat? Good morning, caller. [00:56:17] Speaker D: Good morning, Ms. Green. Second thing, right? Against Fred Mitchell. Right. You won't feel sorry for anyone who run against Fred. Think about it. He only lose once. If you was F and M or other candidates for other party, right? I'd be like, man, why you took me to run again. Why don't pick someone else? [00:56:36] Speaker B: Look here, I hope you're ready to. I appreciate your point, and I hope you're ready to pay the bill that I can send these people. When I say this, you entering politics for the first time, you want to be sent to one of these seats. That's where you want to go because the test for you is not whether you can win. The test for you is whether you can put up a substantive campaign, whether you could make an impact in the face of the giant. Right? And so if I were a new candidate, I'm telling my people, send me to St. Anne, send me to Fox Hills, send me to a stronghold, right? So that a. I can show people what can be done without the focus on just winning the seat, right? Like just the power and the money. But also in those seats you get to develop campaigns and programs that are different to what they are doing. See, because if they successful you trying out these new ideas is not. They're not going to disadvantage people who are relying on those successful campaigns. You have an opportunity to grow new ideas without the pressure. Anyway, thank you caller for that. I'm going to run through these questions that I have. This question was inspired by Mr. Andrew Blue Johnson. Will he can he win independent? Can a Mr. Andrew Blue Johnson, just as a contender with the energy that he has generated with his marketing, with his presence, can he win as an independent or will he join the coi right. And in Freetown, is he strong enough for consideration against someone who may have already declared and are we likely to see any new parties formed? Come on. We got. We got a menace. We have a. And not just any menace, we have a Hubert Alexander menace right, floating around. We got Andrew Blue Johnson Wells. I'm sure we got a number of members of the FNM party who thought they were show ins who looking for something to do. Also with a little more time and definitely on the text line, which is 4225 now that the FNM have 24 candidates on the table. Have you constructed your FNM shadow government yet? Who of these names who would you see as we can't say Minister of Finance because political convention right now is the prime minister is also the Minister of Finance. Minister of National Security, Minister of Education, Minister of Health and Wellness. Right. Public Works, another important portfolio of the faces you see right now. Who would you place there? And then see here some questions for consideration. Could a Mr. Lincoln deal could we make Mr. Lincoln deal minister of Works without creating unnecessary conflicts of interest considering his professional career as an engineer. Mr. Travis Robinson has just gotten a pilot's license, right? He's a professional pilot now. He said congratulations to the young man, but can I make you the minister responsible for aviation or do we run the so these are the questions I'm considering when I'm thinking about constructing An FNM shadow government and producer. We're going to make a transition right now. The last question I have on the table is this Free National Movement. Do you know your website is down? Your website down. I just say it. I just saying like right at the ratification this is the time for the website to be up so we could go and look at the bios of the candidates. Yeah, it also is a bit. I mean is it foreboding? Is it? No man, y' all got C. Allen Johnson on your team, man. There's no way that your website should be down. Or do you have a new website address and you just didn't tell us? You don't have to tell me personally but please tell Google. Tell Google because last night you would have had the most amazing traffic being driven to your website if it was up and functional right now. Just saying for me this is foreboding. This is foreboding. This is your time where you're auditioning to run the government. The question is are you doing a good job at the audition Producer. Let's go to that break. When we get back from the break. I will last for for the next segment. Mr. Maurice Times. You guys stay tuned. Guardian Radio today with Aaron Green. Tired of banks forcing you to use technology to bank the way they want you to. Your convenience is important. So no matter what your banking needs, Commonwealth Bank's friendly staff are always available in branch for that personal one on one service. But when you choose technology, our online and mobile banking app offers you state of the art functionality. The choice is yours. Commonwealth Bank. Bank the way you want. [01:02:21] Speaker C: Now let me see now. [01:02:22] Speaker B: 326 etic. Hello. Hello. This. This EPIC ecket battery. This Ms. Beulah from around the corner. I hear you're selling tires now on Wolf Road too. Praise the Lord. It's about time I left Fox Hill and Fire trail. It's too far that ay all. They open Monday to Friday 7am to 7pm on Sunday and holiday 8am to 4 4pm My brother Sam, he's a. [01:02:47] Speaker D: Hacker and he could go right there. [01:02:49] Speaker B: And get fix up. [01:02:50] Speaker A: Call us at three two. Silence. [01:02:51] Speaker B: Bueller gal. Can you believe this? We are now the patrol queens of the neighborhood. We now lodge and in charge. So we need to check out what going on in everybody yard. What about that gun that we know that junior and his homeboys just ran out. Can we report that too? Of course we can. But we could be in deep trouble if they find out. We need to report what we see. Viola, when you Call Crime Stoppers. They just answer your call in Miami so then we can report everything. Guns, where they hiding the drugs, who shoot who, who part of which gang or who disturbing the peace with the loud music and the motorcycles. Then our neighborhood will be the best in the Bahamas and everybody go wanna come live here. And then our house price will go up, gal. So what we waiting on? What's the number? [01:03:31] Speaker A: If you see something, say something. Let us all pitch in and stop the crime before it's your time. Call 328-8477 from Nassau or 242-300-8477 from the family Islands. Or text us through the crack Crime Bahamas app. Stop the crime before it's your time. This is Guardian Radio 96.9 FM. Fresh news, smart talk all day. [01:04:04] Speaker D: It. [01:04:30] Speaker B: Sam afternoon and welcome back to Guardian Radio 96.9 FM, your station for fresh news smart talk all day. Now onto another segment. I have in studio with me Mr. Maurice Tynes, former clerk to the Parliament. I'm excited to have him in studio. First of all, I got plenty questions that I have been waiting to ask him and I'm sure that audience members also have questions to ask. I'm going to ask the callers if we could wait until the second segment and I'll let you know when to start calling. Otherwise you may be on hold a little longer than you would like. And I also have some text here. We're going to get to the text as well. Good morning, sir, how are you? [01:05:49] Speaker A: I'm fine, thank you. [01:05:51] Speaker B: Now, I put here. I would like you to introduce yourself. Right. But I do. I will establish protocol who you is, where you're from and who your people is. [01:06:02] Speaker A: Oh, okay. I am the third child of Clarence and Lordy Dines. I was actually born on the top of Blue Hill Road. Opposite Government House. [01:06:19] Speaker B: Yes. [01:06:21] Speaker A: But my family moved to Foxhill when I was four years old, so I consider myself a fox alien. [01:06:30] Speaker B: Okay. [01:06:30] Speaker A: Just like they said, Jesus was born in Bethlehem, but he's known as Jesus of Nazareth. Yeah, it's. Anywhere you're born is where you do. [01:06:38] Speaker B: Your work and where you grow. [01:06:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I was a career public servant. I started my career out of high school at the immigration Department. I did my diploma in Public Administration. [01:07:05] Speaker B: Okay. [01:07:06] Speaker A: And I also worked at the Cabinet Office. I don't know if you know, but the Cabinet Office is the central agency in the government. [01:07:17] Speaker B: Yes. [01:07:18] Speaker A: Everything goes through Cabinet. Cabinet Office. [01:07:22] Speaker B: Yes. [01:07:23] Speaker A: And that is where I got my introduction to Parliamentary work. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Okay. [01:07:28] Speaker A: At that time, until very. Until last year, I Guess the Senate was, was administered through by staff in the Cabinet Office. [01:07:43] Speaker B: Okay. [01:07:44] Speaker A: And so while I was at Cabinet Office, I also served as Clerk to the Senate. [01:07:48] Speaker B: Okay. [01:07:50] Speaker A: Thankfully that, that, that, that is finished now. Service Commission. [01:07:55] Speaker B: Right. [01:07:55] Speaker A: They are responsible for recruiting and everything of their own staff. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Okay. [01:08:00] Speaker A: That was something that we in the Parliament worked for for years. [01:08:03] Speaker B: Now don't just say years. How many decades? [01:08:07] Speaker A: Oh, from early in my, after I left Capitol office, I went to, I became the Clerk of the Parliament in January 1993. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Okay. [01:08:24] Speaker A: And shortly after that, I saw the need. It's, it's an anomaly for parliamentary staff to be. To come from cabinet or from the executive branch. Two branches, the two different branches of government. And you know, so I was talking with speakers and government members from. I went there to say that, you know, we need to, we need to end this. We need to get. Just like the Executive branch has the Public Service Commission. [01:08:57] Speaker B: Yes. [01:08:58] Speaker A: The Judiciary, the third, the other arm branch of government. They have their judicial and legal Service Commission. [01:09:05] Speaker B: Yes. [01:09:06] Speaker A: And so it was, it was time for the Parliament to have its own commission. [01:09:10] Speaker B: Yes, I understand now. [01:09:12] Speaker A: And thankfully the legislation was passed last year, I think. [01:09:17] Speaker B: Okay. [01:09:17] Speaker A: And they now I see a lot of ads in the papers asking for staff for the Parliamentary service and it is about time that happened. Now the next step after this is we have to entrench the Parliamentary Service Commission in the Constitution just like the other commissions are entrenched in the Constitution. [01:09:44] Speaker B: Okay. [01:09:44] Speaker A: So that's going to require a public awareness campaign. [01:09:48] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. [01:09:50] Speaker A: And referendum. [01:09:53] Speaker B: Yeah, we not afraid of referendum. [01:09:54] Speaker A: We're not. [01:09:55] Speaker B: No, we're not afraid of referendum. [01:09:56] Speaker A: We haven't had a successful one yet. [01:09:57] Speaker B: We just don't like them questions. And since we're talking about Parliament, I want to start with this question. In my research last night, I saw you speaking about the state of the Parliament building. Right. And I know that you are a proponent for. You support the modernization of the space or process. Right. In one form or the other. And so I wanted to ask, I got three options for you. Are we going to tear down the old building and construct a new building on the same site? Are we going to, are we going to preserve the building on that site and construct a new building in a new location? What would you recommend? [01:10:50] Speaker A: Well, I think it's already a new parliamentary complex. Building is already in the works. [01:10:58] Speaker B: All right. But you support that? [01:10:59] Speaker A: Oh, oh, 100%. [01:11:01] Speaker B: Is that complex going to be on Bay street and is there historic importance of the complex being like on base? [01:11:09] Speaker A: No, I, the complex will Be in the. On top of East Hill street where the old Post office building was. [01:11:16] Speaker B: Okay. [01:11:16] Speaker A: Which gives the building prominence. [01:11:19] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [01:11:20] Speaker A: Which I think is important. And it's, you know, it's, it's within reach of the general public. They can always. [01:11:29] Speaker B: It's accessible. [01:11:30] Speaker A: Yes. [01:11:31] Speaker B: But from that location, I like it because I could look down on Bay Street. Right. And I could see what is happening from that very important place. I could also look the other way on the Ford Hill and see what's happening. You always have some fun on the Ford Hill, historically and contemporarily. All right, so tell the people why for a new Parliament complex. [01:11:55] Speaker A: Well, okay. The buildings in the public square now in Parliament Square were built by the loyalists in the late 18th century. [01:12:07] Speaker B: That's all you had to tell me. We need to build our own buildings. [01:12:09] Speaker A: Yes, yes, those, you know, in the buildings. The buildings were bought around 1790. The property was bought around 1790. And by 1805, 1806, the buildings were built. But they weren't used until as Parliament built. The House of Assembly building wasn't used as a, as a, as a Parliament building until about 1815. [01:12:35] Speaker B: Okay. [01:12:35] Speaker A: I guess they had to get furnishings and other things in addition to that. Those buildings, where the buildings are now, there's no adequate parking even for the Members of Parliament. When those buildings were built, there was no need for parking. There was no need for security. [01:13:04] Speaker B: And I remember what you read, there was no need for separate bathrooms because there were no women. [01:13:08] Speaker A: There were no women in the House. [01:13:09] Speaker B: And now the speaker of the House is a woman. [01:13:12] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:12] Speaker B: Right. And there's, there's nothing befitting. [01:13:15] Speaker A: No, no, they have, they have, they have, they have bathrooms for females now. [01:13:19] Speaker B: Okay. [01:13:19] Speaker A: But you're not, you're not adequate. [01:13:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:13:22] Speaker A: You know, so the buildings were built for staff of one or two persons. [01:13:28] Speaker B: I got you. Yeah. You know, and now we have 39. Plus the mace. [01:13:33] Speaker A: Plus staff. [01:13:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:13:34] Speaker A: You know, I don't forget the staff. You know, I always get you on the side. And they need, they need proper accommodation. [01:13:42] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:13:43] Speaker A: And the, the buildings don't. Are not really suited for the new technology. [01:13:52] Speaker B: True. You know, the wiring for Internet and mounting of TVs or. And cameras on walls for recording. Yeah, yeah, I understand. [01:14:02] Speaker A: My idea is that is to turn those buildings into museums. [01:14:07] Speaker B: Okay, Absolutely. [01:14:10] Speaker A: One could be a political museum. One could be for cultural or cultural medium and for sporting. [01:14:18] Speaker B: I say one for reenactments. Right. Could you imagine a reenactment of the original throwing of the mace from The House of Assembly, Right. For Bahamians, for students and tourists alike. [01:14:29] Speaker A: But we had an attempt on the reenactment a couple months ago. [01:14:34] Speaker D: Eh? [01:14:34] Speaker B: Oh, well, yes, I saw. Did you see the interview? The interview on Zedness? They interviewed the Mace. [01:14:43] Speaker A: They did. [01:14:43] Speaker B: The Mace said, you think I'm soft because I'm gold. You say you think I'm soft because I'm gold. You missed that one A. Yeah, I didn't see that. And so in the House of Assembly, see, because I crack jokes all the time, it says only politicians in there. We don't need to worry about it. And then you remind us, oh, no, there's the staff that do the work of keeping it together. [01:15:05] Speaker A: And then it's the people, the people who want to come in and sit down and observe and observe. You know, there's no, you know, there's nothing adequate there for them. [01:15:14] Speaker B: But then I think about something that we often don't think about the history, right. Like, we also have to be conditioned, concerned about preserving the process and the history. So I have this question. I guess I can start backwards, where is the Hansard? And then tell the people, what is Hansard? [01:15:34] Speaker A: The Hansard is located now in the, in the pal. I forget the name of the building. The building right adjacent to the House of Assembly. [01:15:46] Speaker B: Okay. [01:15:47] Speaker A: On Parliament Street. [01:15:49] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah. [01:15:51] Speaker A: The hand side is the. Actually the electronic recording of the speeches in the House of Assembly, of the proceedings. [01:15:59] Speaker B: Okay. [01:15:59] Speaker A: Of the House of Assembly. So everything that a member or speaker says in the. In the House is recorded. [01:16:06] Speaker B: Okay. [01:16:07] Speaker A: And after it's recorded, it's then transcribed. [01:16:09] Speaker B: Okay. [01:16:10] Speaker A: And I think now that they have advanced since I've been there, you can, you can get, you can get. If you make a speech today, you can get it in a day or two now. [01:16:22] Speaker B: Okay. [01:16:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:23] Speaker B: All right. We're moving with some movement. [01:16:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:16:26] Speaker B: Awesome. [01:16:26] Speaker A: So we don't want to. You know, I was kind of taken aback by an article, editorial in one of the newspapers that said that a new Parliament could wait. I don't know if you remember that. [01:16:39] Speaker B: And I saw your commentary and I. [01:16:41] Speaker A: I responded to that. I didn't hear anything else since I responded. So I hope I got my message across. [01:16:50] Speaker B: I can appreciate that. For me, like I said, often when I think about it, I just notice only politicians in there that could wait. But then I remember ask that governance requires, and it requires understanding the need and committing to mechanisms that preserve the past while at the same time providing for the present and at the same time preparing for the future. Right. And so the tending to the Parliament building, to preserving the proceedings of Parliament, the proceedings of our lives, is equally as important. Right. As providing for the present and, and preparing for the future. Because the act of preserving the past is providing for the present and preparing. [01:17:42] Speaker A: One of the aspects people don't take into consideration also is that the constitution requires the Parliament to be the executive branch, which is the cabinet. You know, they have to, you have to be. To be a cabinet minister, you have to be either in the House or the Senate. [01:18:00] Speaker B: Yes. [01:18:01] Speaker A: The constitution requires that the Cabinet, those executive branch members, be responsible and accountable to the Parliament and the ways that other parliaments do it is that through a committee, through the committee systems, where you have a committee, you have a committee to oversee, oversight, have oversight of the Ministry of Education, you have one to oversight all the big ministries, the Ministry Works, the Ministry of Health. So you should both have a committee that would have oversight of those ministries or departments where the committee can go and get information from them. We ask them about their finances, ask them about the policies to ensure that. [01:18:50] Speaker B: Things are functioning properly. [01:18:52] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:18:52] Speaker B: All right. [01:18:53] Speaker A: And in my view, for that to happen, we need. This is another aspect of it. We need full time members of Parliament. I think the time for members going to their law firms or their medical practice or their construction jobs, then coming to Parliament in the evenings, I think that's over with, overdone with. And so this question should be overdone with. [01:19:15] Speaker B: We had an ambassador in a letter to the editor, suggests that we would get better politics if we paid politicians more. But I'm going to reframe that and put on the table, is it reasonable to say that we would get better governance if we enable MPs and cabinet ministers to perform the function full time by providing a higher salary, a salary that there's a word for it, but a more suitable salary. [01:19:51] Speaker A: Right now, parliamentarians have not had a salary increase from 1988. They are reluctant to give themselves a raise. [01:20:05] Speaker B: I appreciate that about them, but I also. [01:20:08] Speaker A: But you know, to me that is. Is ridiculous for them from 1988. [01:20:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:15] Speaker A: So, you know, sometimes you wonder if you get the kind of politician that you actually pay for, you know, so I don't see why. And Bahamians have an issue with parliamentarians getting better, pay, better emoluments. Now, the allowances that they get, they get a constituency office allowance which allows them to pay rent for a building, pay staff, pay utilities, and that is not much. Where you can get a building for. [01:20:58] Speaker B: Rent and to pay staff and then Money left over for programming and community support. [01:21:06] Speaker A: There is also, I forget what they call it now, but I call it a constituent. It used to be a constituency allowance which is $100,000 a year. Again, that does not go to the, to the individual. To the individual. That money is there for them to do capital works in their. [01:21:24] Speaker B: So things like putting up speed bumps or increasing light in certain areas, putting up light poles, things like that. [01:21:31] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, should take the burden and make it a quicker response to. Other than waiting for administrative works to do everything. [01:21:42] Speaker B: Right. Absolutely. Now, quick question. How do you, how do you become a clerk to the Parliament? How many episodes of yes Prime Minister and yes Minister do I have to watch to. To qualify to be a clerk to the Parliament? [01:21:57] Speaker A: Well, let me say when I, when I was appointed as clerk of the Prime Minister. [01:22:06] Speaker B: Okay. [01:22:07] Speaker A: I was, like I said, I was in the Cabinet Office. [01:22:13] Speaker B: Yes. [01:22:15] Speaker A: The long time clerk of the Parliament at that time, Percy Sanders, he died in 1989. [01:22:22] Speaker B: Okay. [01:22:23] Speaker A: And so Lyndon, who was then the Prime Minister, asked me if I would agree to go over and fill in as Clark. I told him no, I wasn't interested in that. And so he said if I would go until he finds someone else. So I went there, I stayed about a month or two as the clerk of the, of the House. [01:22:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:42] Speaker A: And then he found someone and I went back to my job. Now in 93, by that time the government had changed. You had a new Prime Minister who didn't give me a job. Be the clerk of the Parliament. [01:22:53] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [01:22:55] Speaker A: That's how I got there. But now the Parliamentary Service Commission would recruit their, their, their, their clerk. [01:23:03] Speaker B: All right. And for a young person who's thinking about that, what, which general areas should they focus on? Public administration. [01:23:10] Speaker A: Public administration is very good course if you're interested in law, it's another good course. [01:23:16] Speaker B: Okay. [01:23:17] Speaker A: And also the general social sciences, you know. [01:23:22] Speaker B: All right. Absolutely. We have a caller on the line. I told the audience members I was going to get to them. Now, callers, let me just give this disclaimer. This is Mr. Uncle Cousin Tynes acts as a respectful guardian. Got good people. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. [01:23:41] Speaker D: Good afternoon again. You know, we, you know, we're responsible. [01:23:43] Speaker B: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. [01:23:44] Speaker D: Yes. And good afternoon, Doctor. [01:23:46] Speaker B: Mr. Tyler, times tax. [01:23:48] Speaker D: Good afternoon. [01:23:49] Speaker A: Good afternoon, sir. [01:23:51] Speaker D: But I was listening just now, Mr. Green, when you were talking about the, the increase in the salary and stuff like that, right? Yes, but I think that's a tricky thing because like he was like he mentioned, I think, is it a hundred thousand dollars or $150,000. [01:24:02] Speaker B: So that's not salary, that's, that's not. [01:24:04] Speaker A: As an allowance that does not go to the politician. [01:24:07] Speaker B: It goes to Capital Works in the. [01:24:10] Speaker A: Constitution and the Ministry of Works has to, has to approve the project in the constituency. [01:24:17] Speaker D: Yes, sir, but I thought the money now is deposited directly on the account. So, so they don't do nothing like that. [01:24:24] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. [01:24:26] Speaker A: The, the, the, the, the politician would. Constituency. And it goes there. It would go there. Not his private personal account. [01:24:37] Speaker B: There you go. [01:24:39] Speaker D: That's right. But any other but, but it's a. [01:24:42] Speaker A: Lot of misinformation with, you know, as it pertains. [01:24:46] Speaker D: I thought they had a conversation about that earlier because even Mr. Lang was surprised as to the, to the, to the new rules that the money is being deposited now. Even Mr. Lang was surprised because he, and he, and the caller, I think he used to be a history teacher. I don't know the gentleman's name, but I hope, I wish he would call in because he has a problem with the constituency allowance that these politicians receive nowadays. Right. Now if it is deposited to their account, then that's a serious thing. But my thing is this. You talking about an increase, right, for parliamentarians, right, for salaries. That's a. Yes, Yeah, A new salary. [01:25:21] Speaker B: Salary increase. [01:25:22] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, salary increase, yes. But what I'm saying is that that's a part time job, right? And I mean, And I mean Mr. Lang said that the only time they working is. Let me see them on tv. [01:25:30] Speaker B: I got you. [01:25:34] Speaker A: That is not correct. You only. The only time they work is when they. In the House of Assembly or the Senate. No, they have to, they have to prepare. They have to prepare for that to pass. [01:25:49] Speaker B: And not just that I give. You can call Mr. White right now. I was giving him a hard time over an issue. Right. In a constituency issue. I think it's unfair to say they only work part time. But also the point that Mr. Tynes made was that we are attempting to enable them to focus on ministerial, sorry, Member of Parliament constituency issues and HOA issues by freeing them up that if the salary is sufficient, then they don't have to continue with another job. Right. And so that was the premise upon which the argument sits. [01:26:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And there are two main rules. A member of Parliament has. One, he is a representative of his constituents and then secondly, he is a legislator. And there is more to being a legislator than just sitting there and agreeing to legislation. [01:26:49] Speaker B: Absolutely. Loi will continue with that on the other side of this break. I've got a few more questions for Mr. Tynes including what he thinks are the most important moments, events or sessions in Parliament during his tenure and or in modern history. A caller, please stay tuned. Texas, I'm not going to end the show without you. We'll be right back. New school year, new gear. From uniforms to laptops, a Fidelity personal loan can help you check out every item off of your kids school list. Jump into back to school season with ease. Apply for a Fidelity personal loan today. Call 356-7764. [01:27:41] Speaker C: Fidelity. [01:27:44] Speaker B: We're good for you. It's time to upgrade the way you enjoy at home Entertainment. Alive Fiber is here. Enjoy all your favorite channels and streaming apps, all at lightning fast Internet speeds with affordable bundles. 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Today we got air Erin Green at the mic. It's my pleasure to be here. And of course, in studio with us we have the Mr. Maurice Tynes, former. Now tell me, how do I say it? Is it Clerk to Parliament, Clerk of the Parliament, Clark of the Parliament. [01:29:54] Speaker A: Yes. And you know the Parliament includes the House and the Senate, right? [01:29:59] Speaker B: So Parliament is the entire thing. [01:30:02] Speaker A: Yes. [01:30:02] Speaker B: House of assembly is the lower House. Senate is the upper house. [01:30:06] Speaker A: Yes. [01:30:07] Speaker B: But because the Senate is the upper House, does that mean it's more important. [01:30:10] Speaker A: In protocol but not otherwise? Yes. [01:30:14] Speaker B: Okay. I'm going to go to the phone line quickly. Good morning, caller. Thank you for waiting. [01:30:21] Speaker D: Along with you and Maurice Tynes. Mr. Maurice Tines there. [01:30:24] Speaker B: Good. Jason. [01:30:25] Speaker A: Hey Bremen, how are you? [01:30:26] Speaker D: Well, you know, good. You want to catch on what you're saying, man, right here. [01:30:30] Speaker A: I'm a good man. I haven't seen you for a long time. I haven't seen you for a long time. [01:30:36] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm right around, I suppose I called you last week sometime, right. And I just get to never caught to do it. But I'm going to get you. But what I want to ask you, right, when it comes to the cabinet and the Senate, what's going to happen to those buildings? [01:30:58] Speaker A: Oh, I don't know. I don't know if government has made a decision on those buildings yet. But I would like to see them after the new complex have been constructed and furnished fully. I would like to see those buildings in Rawson Square turn into museums. [01:31:18] Speaker D: But you know, the thing is, right, where are they going to where they decide to build the, the house of a family nowadays. Right. There were no place there, no space for the stand on the. [01:31:34] Speaker B: Cabinet Post office building had about five stories. Man, they got plenty of space. [01:31:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And the property up on East Hill street where the post office was is a huge area. [01:31:48] Speaker B: I think they got good space up there. [01:31:49] Speaker A: They got plenty of space for parking, but. [01:31:51] Speaker D: Okay, I was thinking of that. I could understand them going up several, you know. [01:31:56] Speaker A: Yeah, they're gonna go up several stories. [01:31:58] Speaker D: Yes, several stories. Yeah. [01:32:00] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:32:02] Speaker D: Thank you. And how is the family? [01:32:04] Speaker A: Of course, everyone is well. Thank you. [01:32:07] Speaker B: Sorry, Berman, I know you say give them your love. I got two more calls on the board and I just wanted to tell Mr. Tynes I cannot wait until they bring out the hologram machine. I know our government has hologram machine, Mr. Times in the museum. And then we can have reenactments of Pinling in the house. We could have. [01:32:24] Speaker A: That's, that's for you all to, to. [01:32:26] Speaker B: For us young people to think about age. [01:32:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And to lobby the government for. [01:32:30] Speaker B: Right. But I'm saying there's so many things that we could do with a, a proper museum. We got another caller. Good morning, caller. Sorry, good afternoon. [01:32:38] Speaker D: Yes, good afternoon, Ms. Green. [01:32:39] Speaker B: How you doing? [01:32:40] Speaker D: Good afternoon to your guest. [01:32:42] Speaker A: Good afternoon. [01:32:42] Speaker D: I missed about 30 minutes to the show, but after the hour, so I just wanted to. I said Bremen as it relates to what Bremen was talking about, about the new buildings for the Parliament or the Senate. I mean the Parliament building. [01:32:55] Speaker A: Right. [01:32:57] Speaker D: I just wanted to know if any of the geniuses have conceived it. Like, you know, it should be multi storied since it's. I don't know where it is. If it's downtown and then maybe post office. [01:33:10] Speaker A: The old post office building site. [01:33:12] Speaker D: Yeah, well, yeah. [01:33:14] Speaker A: And it will be multi story. [01:33:16] Speaker D: Maybe. Has the government ever thought about like investing the people money and doing some high rise right there where those existing buildings was. Maybe put one or two at the museum which is a good idea. But also the building that you're going to build for the new parliament building by the post office include in there some, some high end of office rental spaces. And then that way, you know, it would just be prudent as a, as a taxpaying method or something just kind of different to generate move out of the 21st century. Give thanks. [01:33:43] Speaker B: Of course I think security implications have to be taken into account and I. [01:33:47] Speaker A: Think the plans will include paid parking for people also. [01:33:52] Speaker B: Okay. [01:33:53] Speaker A: Which will bring some revenue. [01:33:54] Speaker B: Absolutely, absolutely. I. Oh, the Ford Hill. I have to call you Uncle Tynes. Now as young people we so jealousy old Fort Hill crew. Oh my goodness. But I have to. Well you say you were born in that area, right? [01:34:10] Speaker D: Blue Hill Road. [01:34:11] Speaker B: Oh, sorry. Right. Blue Hill Road. [01:34:13] Speaker A: Hilltop. I'm a hilltopper. [01:34:15] Speaker B: You couldn't shout and daddy will shout back to you from there to there. Well, maybe I don't see all keeping the secrets. We're going to go to this caller and then I want to ask you about the importance of documenting institutional knowledge and stories about the top hill and the fourth hill. Good morning caller. [01:34:31] Speaker D: Good day. [01:34:32] Speaker B: Good day. [01:34:32] Speaker D: Good afternoon, Mr. Mr. Ty, how are you today? [01:34:34] Speaker A: Fine, thank you. [01:34:35] Speaker D: Okay. I appreciate you for correcting those person with the misinformation that been spewing all around the Bahamas about the parliament and the parliamentarians and the idea which you're speaking about about the museum is an excellent idea. One more point added to that. We need to make that also not just in a museum, also a tourist attraction that we could make it feel more or less like a tour that persons can book when they come on the cruise ship or they come into the country by air and learn about how our legislative system works here in the Bahamas. [01:35:12] Speaker A: Well, that's the idea of a museum. That's the idea of a museum. Those kind of things. [01:35:19] Speaker D: I'm glad that you, you, you curb that misinformation. Mr. Ty. [01:35:23] Speaker A: Yes. [01:35:25] Speaker D: To your knowledge that property west of Bacardi Road on the northern side, you have any knowledge about that? [01:35:34] Speaker A: I don't know what you're talking about. West of Bacardi Road. [01:35:38] Speaker D: Yes. All right. You know we had a conversation before and it was said that in the early 1920s speak at our house. Mr. Harcourt Malcolm. [01:35:53] Speaker A: Yes. He left some property on Carmichael Road in trust for Bahamians. [01:35:59] Speaker B: Okay, nice Bahamians. [01:36:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:01] Speaker B: Excited. [01:36:02] Speaker D: Listen, thank you, man. [01:36:03] Speaker B: Make sure reach out to Mr. Tynes about that. But also in, you know, in your lobbying for correct information, I wanted to say don't forget that when we open our museum, we're inviting them to come and learn the history of one of the. The oldest, if not the oldest, Parliament in the region. Right. [01:36:20] Speaker A: It's the third oldest in our hemisphere. [01:36:22] Speaker B: There you go. The third oldest in our hemisphere. [01:36:24] Speaker A: Bermuda and Barbados are older. [01:36:26] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. I get to know. You know, I have a little Bahamian exceptionalism in me. A little chicharney. [01:36:31] Speaker A: Yes. [01:36:32] Speaker B: But it's good to know the facts. Okay, caller, I'm so sorry. I gotta run through the text line in these last seconds. This text is asking, does the speaker use the Hansard contemporarily? Like, I'm in the House today, an issue comes up and they refer to the Hansard immediately. [01:36:53] Speaker A: Definitely. [01:36:53] Speaker B: Okay, here's another text. Okay, that's about. I hear you text. According to Fred Mitchell, Mr. Fox is not a Foxholian because he was born in pmh. Listen, let me tell the jokes, man. [01:37:12] Speaker A: Okay? [01:37:13] Speaker B: But he can't be a Fox alien because he was born in pmh. That's. That's called ageism. That's it called ageism. Let us young people have some with provenance as well, please. But, sir, does. Does that still matter now where he was born? Does it. Is Mark the ma. In fact, we're out of time. I have to bring you back, Mr. Tynes. [01:37:37] Speaker A: Yes, anytime. [01:37:39] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:37:39] Speaker A: It could be once I'm available. [01:37:41] Speaker B: Soon time. [01:37:41] Speaker A: Okay? [01:37:42] Speaker B: Soon time is not a problem. It's been a pleasure having you. We've got lots more questions, like is politics improving or devolving? Is governance getting better? Do you feel sovereign, more sovereign today than you did in 1973? And will you tell us some of the secrets? Not the Cabinet secrets, because we know you all have your rules, but some of the most impactful and exciting moments in the history of Bahamian Parliament. This has been Erin Greene on Guardian radio today thanking Mr. Maurice Tynes, former clerk to the Parliament, for joining us today. 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