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[00:00:40] Speaker C: And welcome to the August 27th edition of Guardian Radio Today. My name is Pastor Dr. Cleveland W Eneas III, also known as Kahun Ankusara. It is indeed my pleasure to be here with you on Guardian Radio 96.9 FM. Fresh news, smart talk all day.
It's hump day, people. It's hump day and we got another exciting show for you. We got a lot of good feedback from yesterday's show and I pray today's show will be as impactful or even better.
Today we're going to be asking a question I think a lot of people ask.
And I think in many circles people have these conversations, but we don't have them publicly, right? Because people may feel as if, you know, they may be offending people or they may feel as if they don't know how to say what it is they want to say without offending people. And I think we're going to be able to do that today as we ask the question, is the Bible simply the word of God or has man interfered with it?
Is the Bible simply the word of God or has man interfered with it? Now, let me just preface this show. We have a special guest coming on today, rev. Dr. A.J. varma. He'll be in in just a bit.
But let me just preface this show by saying that we understand that the Bible is not the problem, all right? And not, not even the Quran. The Quran is not even the problem. The Torah is not the problem.
However, there has been a misinterpretation, right? There has been some things that, you know, we, we're going to question today, right? And so, you know, the answer to the question is, I think, obvious to many of us. But we don't want to just make a claim without actually investigating it, without actually analyzing this question.
Now why is this question being asked?
When we look at today's world and we see the behavior of people, whether it's, you know, in the form of crime or whether it's, you know, some type of social deviance, right? Or just basic gossip or just basic, you know, unfriendliness, right? This, this behavior, this, this, this spirit that, that seems to move through our, through our country and around the world. Really, we need to question the spirit, we need to question people's behavior, right? Of course, there's a spectrum, right? There's those people who may just make you annoyed all the way to those people who, you know, may try to kill you, right? We have a spectrum of behavior that is not becoming right. And so what causes us to have the type of behavior that we have, right?
Behavior isn't something that comes out of or that that just manifests or precipitates out of a vacuum, right? People do what they're doing for a reason, and in many instances, the way we think and what we are digesting. They say you are what you eat, right? And oftentimes when you hear the statement you are what you eat is based on, you know, food, physical food, right?
And so the reality of the situation is when you read, when you listen to music, when you watch television or you go to the movies, right? When you're on your tablet, when you're on your phone, when you're on your computer, on your device, that's also a form of eating. That's also a form of, that's also something that you're digesting, right? So what you, you are what you eat, right? And so when we look at the Bible, then, you know, we have a steady consumption of the Bible, right, In this country and around the world, right?
And a wise man told me once that you don't necessarily judge a book by its cover.
We've all heard that, and I think most of us, you don't just judge a book by its cover, but more so goes on to say, you judge a book by the people who adhere to the book.
You judge a book by the actions, by the behavior of the people who say they believe in the book, the people who digest the book, the people who live by the book, the people who embrace the book.
The book says many beautiful things and the book says some things that are not so beautiful.
But ultimately we're going to judge the book by the way that the people who adhere to the book, the people who say they believe in the book, the people who defend the book, their behavior ultimately is going to dictate the spirit of that book.
And so we are a self professed Christian nation, but our crime and other statistics socially don't necessarily align with what we say we believe in.
And so I think it's worth the conversation, I think is worth putting it on the table and I think it's worth understanding some of the reality behind the question, is the Bible simply the word of God or Has man interfered with it? I want to introduce our special guest today. He's been on with us before.
My good brother rev. Dr. A.J. varma. How are you doing, my brother?
[00:07:13] Speaker D: I'm doing well. How about you, man?
[00:07:15] Speaker C: We still hot, but we good.
[00:07:18] Speaker D: Take hot, take hot.
[00:07:19] Speaker C: I know, right?
[00:07:20] Speaker D: Cold. So take.
[00:07:22] Speaker C: Oh, y' all already cool. Okay. Yeah, we, we gonna keep our heat.
[00:07:26] Speaker D: I'm trying to come get some.
[00:07:28] Speaker C: All right.
So my brother, you know, this conversation, I was just setting the table a little bit and I don't know how much of you, I don't know how much of it you heard, but I was listening. Okay. Beautiful, beautiful. And so this idea of, you know, we have a steady consumption of the Bible in this country, just like many places around the world.
However, you know, when you listen to the news, you know, whether it's in America or whether it's here or whether it's in the UK or whether, you know, anywhere around the world, we're seeing the mass shootings, we're seeing the, the gang affiliated shootings, we're seeing the, the corporate crime. We're seeing, you know, a lot of things and I know a lot of it. Yes, some, some people would say, well, it's sensationalism, you know, that's what sells. Etc. So I get that part. There are good things happening, right? But I'm concerned, you know, about walking outside and you know, someone trying to shoot up the place. Right. So I want to be aware of that.
But it's happening more and more.
The economy, the way that world governments are positioning themselves, there are wars going on, all these different things. But we have this steady consumption of scripture.
So this question of whether the Bible is simply the word of God or has man interfered with it, I think is an important one.
And I wanted to bring you in to help us answer this question. So I want to start with this adage, something that you shared with me a long time ago.
You don't judge a book by merely the COVID but you judge a book by the people that adhere to the book, the people who say they believe in the book.
I want you to just break that down a little bit more for us, please.
[00:09:25] Speaker D: Okay. Well, when we say most people are going to judge a people by the book, right? So if I'm a bad person, but I believe in a good book, people will say, well, you know, the Bible says, or the Quran says, or the vita says, or whatever the text it says, and would be expecting that person to become more in line with the book.
But in fact the book should be know. You judge a fruit, a tree. The book is the tree, right? The tree of knowledge, of good and evil. The tree of knowledge, tree of eternal life. The book is the tree, right. Symbolic. So you judge the tree by the fruit it bears. You know, Scripture teaches in the Old Testament that the tribes of Ishmael and Israel and Nidiani, the seed of Abraham, that they were the fruit.
They were the fruit.
First fruits. You have the feast of first fruits. And the Old Testament numbers, Deuteronomy talks about that. He talked about the fruits in the New Testament and book of revelations, etc.
So we are the fruit. If the, if the people are the tree and the people are corrupt, then that tree is corrupt. Or that tree has been corrupted, let's put it that way. The tree has been corrupted. The tree has had some things added inside of it.
And so when we say that, it's to tell people that somewhere along the line, first, first and foremost, people. You said we're consumers, right? Consumption of the scriptures.
And you know, I hate to disagree with you, but I don't even think people are consuming it. Wow. And I say that because how many of us have been Christian or Muslim or Hebrew or whatever religion, Taoist or Confucius or Buddhist or Hindu, and have never read your scripture cover to cover with the, with an. And I don't just because everybody say, I read my.
Until you show them something, then they go, I didn't know that was in there. But how did you read something and not know that wasn't it?
[00:11:23] Speaker C: Right.
[00:11:25] Speaker D: How did you read some? I see certain things that should stand out. I understand you might miss because this verse sounds like, you know, okay. This story in Matthew sounds like Mark. Okay. I can see that they both sound the same. But when you hear something that's just totally just different, right. If I, if I'm reading the Bible and I hear, you know, and it says something like all praise and love for the people of Sodom, that would stand out. I'd be like, oh, wait a minute, what? Right. Because the people of Sodom now, it doesn't say that. Doesn't say that. But if it did, it would, it would grab my attention. But it does say about the people of Rome, it does say about the family of Caesar. It does praise the Caesar. The Quran does have a chapter, the chapter of the Roman. So number one thing is most people have never read their book.
They've read that's in there.
[00:12:15] Speaker C: They talk about the Caesars in the Bible.
[00:12:17] Speaker D: Yeah, we can get into it.
[00:12:20] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay.
[00:12:22] Speaker D: But the. The. The. The. The. The first point we. We need everybody to come to grips with is most people haven't read the Bible. Yeah, they've read the oldies but goodies, you know, the beatitudes. Blessed are the peace of those who are persecuted. Blessed are the meat. Okay, we all got that one. The Lord's prayer. Everybody got them. Our father, who art in heaven, holy be thy name. We got that one. The Muslims, everybod. That right.
Everybody got that one. The Hebrews. You know, we got that one, right? We all. In the beginning, God created. Everybody got that one. Let there be light. You can't get that one wrong, Right. Do unto others. You know, don't. Don't mess with your neighbor's wife. I don't know if everybody got that one, but. Right.
But everybody's heard of that one, right?
You know, you shouldn't covet.
Turn the other cheek. Those are the old deals and classics, right? Those are the classic. Those are like the. You can't. You. You gotta know that if you're a Christian, you gotta know these. If you're a Muslim, you gotta know these. If you're a Hindu, there's certain passages you just have to know, because every sermon. You've heard them since he was a little girl, a little boy, you've heard these sermons, and you never really question because this is what everybody was singing. And. And it's really. Your church is enjoyable, right? Let's be honest. The mosque, the synagogue, these are enjoyable places. You get to see people you haven't seen all week. You get to talk about, you know, at after service or ju. Or. Or is over. You get to talk the Sabbath. You get to talk with your friends and family. You get to see other kids that you haven't seen all week, you know, whatever. You get to eat some food. There's some picnics. There's some Sabbath meals. There's some ids. There's some. There's. So that part of it. There's some singing, right? Some gospel music, some. Some Torah chanting with the. With the. With the cantor. Or in Islam, you got the. You know, there's. There's festivals and some mosques do drumming. Some do Quranic recitation. So it's. It's beautiful, right? The beauty of religion.
[00:14:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:20] Speaker D: You can't deny that, right? It's camaraderie, family, kind of a tribal thing, us versus the world, and boom.
But then when it comes to reading, you know, Muslims will say that angel Jibril came to Muhammad and said, oh, Muhammad read book of Isaiah. Said the book is given to one total read, but eat it up. And that's Revelations. John was told to read the book, but then not to speak it, to eat it up. And then it talks about another one in Isaiah that the book is delivered to one told. He says, I'm not a reader.
[00:14:52] Speaker E: Right?
[00:14:52] Speaker D: That's in Isaiah.
The book of John says in the beginning was the word, right? Words. Words have power.
Matter of fact, I know you tell your children all the time, words have consequences.
So the power of the word, the logos, the calimet in Arabic, the K.
In Hebrew, the dabar, the speech.
But most people aren't reading the book again. We got sermons, you know, everybody got their favorite pastor, favorite imam, favorite recitation of the Quran, favorite cantor, if you're Jewish. But have we actually read the book in the language that they say the book was written in, or are we going off of translation? Whether it's the New International Versions translation, the Ryrie Study Bible translation, the Zondervan Bible translation, the Good News Bibles, translation, the Sacred Scriptures Bibles, translation, the New International Version Bible, the New Linear Translation Bible, the New American Standard Version Bible, the. The. The Key Study Bible, the.
What's the other one? They have sacred. And there's so many. Right. We can. We can do a show just reading off all the names of all the different types of Bibles, but all of them will agree. If it's the Old Testament, it was written in Hebrew.
If it's the New Testament, it was written in Greek. This is what they say. If it's the Quran, it was written in Arabic. Right. For the Quraysh tribe, everybody has that. And we live in a day and time with Duolingo. Right? Duolingo is this app you can put on your phone. And from what I've seen it be how I've seen it being used, you can use it and you can learn language. And we used to have Rosetta. I'm a little older, so we had Rosetta. Right.
And you can learn the language.
[00:16:35] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:16:36] Speaker D: And if our souls are on the line, we should be able by now. If I've been a Christian 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years, I could have learned some Hebrew, right? Some basic biblical Greek. Basic Biblical Hebrew, Basic Quranic Arabic. Quranic Arabic or Arabic foot have been doing that. That way when you're reading, you can see for yourself. So that's where the problem begins. And I say that because then what happens is you end up depending on people who are translating. And if these people are corrupt, they're going to translate corruption into their translation, to make their corrupt behavior seem normal.
[00:17:15] Speaker C: Right, right.
[00:17:17] Speaker D: And that's where the family of the Caesars come in. If anybody out there listening, and I know you notice my brothers In Philippians chapter four, I believe it's 22. Yes, yes, Philippians four, 22. And it talks about the family of Caesar. And, and I'm not saying this to, to, to, to get people mad because you know, when you tell people something they either don't know or don't like, both, both of these are going to get soft with you.
[00:17:45] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:17:46] Speaker D: They're going to be mad.
[00:17:47] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:17:47] Speaker D: And, and, but they, I always say to people, your anger should not be directed towards us. Your anger should be directed towards the people who've been perpetuating the lie.
[00:17:56] Speaker C: Right.
[00:17:57] Speaker D: If I'm, if you're reading Philippians chapter four and, and, and you're looking at the translation and you see in there about the families of Caesar, then the Bible starts to have an issue. And I'm saying this because if I go and look at the Ethiopian Bible of the, of the people of.
Do they have all this crime, the people who are living by that system? And I'm not saying everybody run out and get an Ethiopian Bible. I'm just using them as an example.
There are, there are people who are reading their Bible and I'm hardik or in geese or whichever language. And in that text, what is the predominant behavior of the adherence of the adherence of that text of that translation.
Are they running the street acting a fool? Are they stabbing and killing each other, shooting each other? Or do they have a type of culture? And what's different in their book is that they're culturally sound.
They're insulated by their culture. You know the great Dr. Marimba, Annie, she's one of our female atonious popes. We call her baby doctor.
She wrote a book called Yorubu about the African spiritual systems, right. And how they were designed. And in it she says that your culture is your.
What's the word?
[00:19:19] Speaker C: Immune.
[00:19:20] Speaker D: It's immune system.
You know, your culture is your immunity. It's your.
Inoculates you against any virus, any potential disease that would penetrate. So we look at Philippians chapter 4.
It says verse 20.
Now unto God and our Father be glory forever and ever. Amen.
Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. Now, okay, that makes sense. All the saints in Christ Jesus give him salute. Salutations. Okay?
Now, Christ didn't greet with salute. Let's be mindful of that though, right?
Christ, he says, peace, I leave with you, peace I bring, as I send you always. And he spoke Hebrew, so he would have been saying, shalom alekum, salam alum.
K something with me, Right? He didn't say salute. Salute. That's Roman. Let's first get that clear, right? Salute. Then he goes on. Every saint in Christ Jesus, the brethren which are with me, greet you.
All the saints salute you. We're still doing some saluting chiefly mainly especially they that are of Caesar's household. Wow.
Now, pastors have written. So many great pastors out here all around the world now. There's some not so great ones out there, too.
[00:20:39] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:20:39] Speaker D: But all of them will agree that they've read their Bible cover to cover. They've been ministering for 10, 20, 30 years when they see this, that the saints of the family of Caesar. When you go to the Vatican, go to the Vatican, the actual Vatican, and you're walking through. Through St. Peter's Basilica, that area right where the Vatican is. And they. You ask the tour guides, where's all these statues? All the way around.
All around the Vatican, they said, well, we say these are saints, but these are actually members of the family of citizens.
Wow. They literally say that. You can go online, pull it up, read up about it right now. British, what they call it the Encyclopedia Britannica. You can go online, pull up these things, and you can read that. So then there has to be a question.
We all know the story of the Caesars, right? You got Caligula, you got Nero, you got Comedist, you got.
Oh, you got Octavius, you got Gaius, you know, Julius, Augustus, you got this space. And you got Titus, you got Demeter, you got some. And these are some rough fellas.
[00:21:46] Speaker C: Yes.
Yeah.
[00:21:47] Speaker D: These are some people who.
Whose hands were. I don't want to say dirty. They were. Deb. The base. They were debauchery at this. At this highest level.
[00:21:56] Speaker C: Right.
[00:21:56] Speaker D: They were sleeping with their mamas. Literally. One of them was doing that. Another one was sleeping with his sisters. Another one was. Had little children, trained little infants to swim through his legs and nibble on his privates. This is their own writings. Wow. This is their own writings. Wow. But yet here, these are people of the family of. See, the Caesar's families was wicked people.
So how are they getting. So how. How are we saluting them? And they're sending people, or was there a Roman incursion into this biblical text?
[00:22:25] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:22:26] Speaker D: Are the fingerprints of the Romans or the fingerprints of the Macedonians? The Hellenists have. They put their fingerprints and their Input into the text, taking original stories that didn't, that didn't have prostitution. Judah picked up a prostitute, which was really his daughter in law who was prostituting because his son had died. And then he left over his signal and then tried to deny he ever had a prostitute. So she put me, what?
And that now when we see that happen, that's Judah, the tribe of Judah, you know, lion of Judah, right? Judah, that, Judah, that guy. According to the Bible's translation, that the Hellenist, that the Vulgate writers of Rome, these Hellenistic people, these Anglos and Saxons, they have infused their behavior into the translation. Thus, when we see that debauchery taking place all around the world, we're okay with it. We're watching. Someone said to me the other day, they said, can I ask you a question? What the question is, you know, got names? Canty, Charles Canty. He said he was talking to his brother's brothers and pastor, his mother's a pastor. And he said, he asked his brother, you know, how many people in the Bible did Satan kill?
He said, I'm not asking this to be like, difficult. I'm just trying to understand who's translating this versions of the Bible that we're reading because nobody's allowing us to have an African version. There's not a, there's not a Ashanti version, there's not an Ebo version, there's not a Yoruba version. There's not a Zulu version. It's not a native Caribbean arc version. There's not, you know, because we, we, we exist too. Right? You know, we, we fit. We, we matter.
[00:24:02] Speaker C: Right?
[00:24:03] Speaker D: Right. And so when you're looking at their versions, he said, he asked that question and the brother said, well, Satan didn't kill nobody in the Bible. So, okay, how many people did the God of the Bible, the way they translated. I want to keep saying that because they say you say you don't believe it. I didn't say that. I'm saying this story because Second Corinthians, chapter 11, verse 4 says, we got to be mindful that there's another spirit, another Jesus and another gospel.
[00:24:28] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:24:29] Speaker D: Second Corinthians 4. 4 says this. Satan is the God of the world. Wow. Who's deceiving and making people have a blindness. And the Quran for the Muslims says someone, so somebody's manipulating the original text, removed us from reading the original text and has us reading Hellenism. Hesiod's writings rebranded as the Bible.
Herodotus's writings rebranded as the Bible. Piso Paulist the Roman Flavian of the Flavian dynasties of the Caesars version of the Bible or writings under the guise of being the Bible. The the Muhammadan invader Musalima Al Kadaba the liar they call him of the land of Hijaz of the Indo Aryan family line who came in at the same time of the African Kushite Ahmed Mahmoud and replaced him with Musalim or Muhammad with a doctrine. This is what and we don't realize as black people that after our colonizations all around the world, infiltrations all around the world, subjugations all around the world, kidnappings, miseducation, forcible indoctrination, taking of children to these native boarding schools forcibly after all of that our psyche has been so damaged that we don't give ourselves the opportunity to say wait a minute, let me start reading from the beginning because I'm teaching my children this, I'm teaching my husband this, I'm teaching my, I'm believing this and I've never done a real on and people say well because you questioning God. No The Bible said First John 4:1 Beloved believe not every spirit test the spirit to see whether it is of God or not. For they've gone many false prophets and they use the word anti prophetesses, pseudo prophetess, pseudo fake prophets out into the world and then he goes on and says and you've heard that will come but even yet they are amongst us now. So the family of the Caesars was there, the family of the Alexandrians, the Macedonians, the Ptolemies we call in the Bible the eleven plus one, the clan sons of canon, they were there and that so we we're being led by these people.
Wow. We're being, we're being taught by these people and they're the ones teaching us not to read, not to investigate. Don't tell me that I'm wrong to ask a question. When you say God given talent then God given talent means that God the most high, God the almighty God, Jehovah, Jadi the most high, the heavenly one, whatever name that you want to call it Allah.
If you're a Muslim they don't tell me that that creator, this force, this source gave us the ability to question that Christ said ask, Christ said seek. Christ said knock to act. Seek or not, you can't ask if you ain't questioning.
You can't seek if you ain't investigating. You can't knock if you don't know the keys about how to knock. Because if you knock on it, if I go If I walk up on your door in the middle of the hood hood and bang your door right. You might think somebody coming to rob.
[00:27:36] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:27:36] Speaker D: So there's a way. There's a way. You knock on your grandmother's door. I remember being little, go to my aunt, my aunt patient or my auntie Gwen or one of them Marjorie and one of my aunts their door into Martha and I knocked that door wrong. Who are you banging on my door like you some kind of fool the way they were. But if I knock correctly. Who is it? It's Amadou. Hey nephew, how are you? Come in. So I learned there's a way to not.
[00:27:57] Speaker C: That's true.
[00:27:58] Speaker D: So Christ gave us these examples. Acts seeking not.
How do you approach. We ain't asking, we're believing. But it said don't believe every spirit.
[00:28:08] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:28:08] Speaker D: Now it's easy for the listeners to not believe what Kahun Ankusara is saying. It's easy for the listeners to not believe what Rev AJ Vaughn is saying because it's sexy to not believe the thing that you know that because everybody, if you ask anybody what which church is the Antichrist church, nobody's going to say it's their church, right? No one's going to say it's their mask, right? But it's them other people. Everyone else's church is ignorant. My church. Oh no, I passed. We read everything. Why Pastor? I'll pass the. I'll reverend our imam, he'll answer any question. Come on. Until you ask him. Then he'll say, well, I'm going to look into that. They're always going to get back to you because there's nothing to get back to when they read and see family of Caesar.
So then they got to say, well, you know, there's God works in mysterious ways. You know, sometimes you, you're looking at the Bible with your physical eye. What the heck? That's why I got eyes. That's why I went and get my eyes checked once a year to get a better prescription so that I could see how I'm going to read it if I can't see what I'm reading.
But if it's a hustle, if people just have people giving their money and not giving you something in exchange, not giving you value for your contribution, giving you preaching.
Amen. Hallelujah. Praise God. Got a heck of a choirs. Beautiful singing touchweed Quran recitation.
But that's not what we came here for, right? We want a relationship with the most high. We want a relationship with Christ. With Christ. Christ said in that day, many will say, we've healed in your name, and we've done miracles in your name. Me and I love my Jesus and all this and all that he says. I say, I never knew you.
[00:29:54] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:29:56] Speaker D: I never knew you.
Why is that being said? That's Matthews. Chapter 7, verse 21 to 23. Again, people who been reading their Bible their whole life are going to read it right now. Matthew 7, 21, 23, and go, I never knew that was there. People are going to say, we've healed in your name, and, Lord, we've done all kind of miracles in your name, and we love you. And he's going to say, and I'm going to say, I never knew you. Depart from me, you that work, lawlessness, iniquity, anomia in Greek, ion in Hebrew.
How do I know that's not the church that I'm a part of? It might be the Holy cryptic Church. I got to make sure, right? I had a question. It might be what might be the Pentecostal. I got a question, right.
Anyone telling you not to question that person suspect when the Bible is saying question, right? So the Bible is the word of the creator.
Mankind has interfered with it.
And human beings, you and I, indigenous people, we're just believing it and have never done a deep dive into the book that we base our lives and our generations upon generations in. And we're believing these translations which are promoting debauchery subconsciously, right? Look at what happened to the church. I remember the time homosexuality was not in the church. Now we got gay pastors with first men instead of first women or first ladies of the church. We got the choir directors of flaming. We got. Homosexuality is becoming rampant. Lesbianism is rampant. All this stuff is rampant. And this is now considered Christianity, right?
[00:31:37] Speaker C: They say Snoop Dogg in hot water now because he.
[00:31:40] Speaker D: Yeah, Snoop Doggs, they mad at him because he said, man, I went to see a movie with my grandson, and in the middle of the movie, this LGBT stuff was on the screen. He said, man. And then my grandson was like, did he just marry him? He's like, what do I say to my kid? I'm not saying you can't be put in a kid's cartoon, right? And he's wrong for saying something.
And Christianity now has to take a silent role because you get funding, and you can't get funding if you speak against the lgbtq because now you're discriminated. I'm not discriminating. I'm just saying that. But scripturally, it says you can't do that, right? It says don't. A man shouldn't lay with a man. A woman shouldn't lay with a woman. Don't lay with a dog. So now that we lay a man with man, woman with woman, what's next? Dog? Now people gonna start sleeping with animals and we're gonna be okay with it.
And we're not gonna say nothing about that. That's, that's good. And that's when it's headed.
Wow.
[00:32:31] Speaker C: Our special guest.
[00:32:32] Speaker D: Oh, I'm sorry.
[00:32:33] Speaker C: Yeah, we gotta run to a break. We gotta run to a break. No, no, we're gonna, we're gonna jump right back into it after the break. A special guest today, rev. Dr. A.J. varma.
Is the bible simply the word of God or has man interfered with it? We're going to be talking about continuing to talk about this and more right after this quick break here on 96.9 FM. Keep it locked.
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[00:35:49] Speaker C: And welcome back to Guardian Radio today, our Special guest, rev. Dr. A.J. v.M.A. of the Holy Coptic Church of the Black Messiah. My name is Kahun Anku Sara, also known as Pastor Dr. Cleveland W Enas III.
And today's discussion, is the Bible simply the word of God or has man interfered with it? Dr. V has been pointing out some verses that I, I don't know if everybody has ever read these verses or if you read it and didn't really pay attention to it. But, but we, we mention about these Caesars, Philippians 4:22. And, and, and they're, they're a idea of false prophets and false apostles in scripture.
Dr. Vma, you know, we were talking about the fact that, you know, today's church has taken on the personality or the spirit of these Caesars.
We were just talking about the whole LGBT aspect of behavior even within the church and how the churches just seem to be quiet about it or just kind of just allowing things to just simmer.
And so I want to pick up right there where we left off.
You know, Snoop Dogg is in, he in hot water because he trying to protect his grandchildren. And, and I don't really hear the outrage from the church.
[00:37:05] Speaker D: Right. Well, exactly, because when we got, when Caesar's funding you.
Yeah, you're getting some grants here and there. You don't want to, you know, you don't want to talk against corruption, you don't want to talk against the Canaanite. You don't want to talk about racism. You don't want to talk about anything that' interfere with that bottom line. But that's not what Christ stood for. Right. And the book of Ephesians in fact tells EPHESIANS Chapter 5, when you go on down to verse 12 by 3 from 3 through 17, it talks about the spirit of perversion.
Talks about the spirit of perversion. It warns us. So again, is the Bible the word of God? It's the word of the most high in its original form. But what we're reading and how it's being rewritten and retranslated and misinterpreted purposely. When you look at the words in the Greek in the New Testament Greek writings, you say wait a minute, but that's not what it means.
You know, our church, we're a teaching church when we have also our Wednesday in the Word True Life Fellowship study. When we do the when Atonus Korestian, the Sunday worship series, we go word, literally by word. We go to the Blue Letter Bible online, blue letter bible.com and we click on each word and we go to every translation. We look at it in the Greek and we go word for word in Greek, word for word, word for word in Arabic, word for word and say wait a minute, let's translate this correctly. And you go but that's not what it's so what are we being given? But again, the, the man's intervention or mankind's intervention, where does that Right. Where does it come from?
[00:38:34] Speaker C: Right.
[00:38:35] Speaker D: Well when the moment you say Septuagint or Septuagint, the minute we say Septuagint or Septuagint, the book of Isaiah 19 talks about the spirit of pervers.
A perverse spirit has been mingled upon.
[00:38:48] Speaker C: The people and what is accept, what is deception?
[00:38:52] Speaker D: Well, that Septuagint is the Greek. They say it's the oldest Bible, the oldest Greek Bible Bible that was used to translate into the modern Hebrew and then from that to English etc when you read that and they say these were 70 scribes that stood at the base of the of Mount Sinai and received in, in Judaism they talk about the oral law. The Hellenistic Jews had the oral law called the Talmud and the Mishnah and the Gomorrah. And these were oral laws that they supposedly received when Moses was in sediment at Kedem receiving the Tanakh or the Torah, the Torah. And Christ was very clear in John 8 and John 10. He called them vipers. And you have your father the devil and a lie and a murderer he was from the beginning in Revelations 2, 9 and 39 tells you and I in scripture that I don't say they are Hebrews who say they are Judeans, who say they're Judah Heights who say they are Jews and are not they are the synagogue of Satan. So that spirit of perversion, you know, we got to unmask the enemy. And understanding the spirit of perversion, we have to look at its roots and how it manifests and, and understanding that the spirit of perversion we got to know what is the spirit of perversion. You know, when, when we Christians, true Christians we are and those who are Christians and, and we Muslims and true Muslims Muslims and we are Hebrews and true he we that all these things that we call ourselves when we're allowing the. The devil's ways to allow sexual immorality and activity outside the confines and homosexuality and fornication and pornography and idolatry and deception and we're allowing disobedience and we're allowing spouses to go back and forth arguing women this way and men that way. And how do you overcome that? Proverbs gives us, you know, keeping your heart proverbs for 4:23 tells you and I that we have to keep our hearts with all diligence because the Bible tells us in Genesis 6:5 nation of their hearts was nothing but evil continually. Are we in the church becoming guilty in the mosque becoming guilty in the synagogue becoming guilty of having our hearts wax cold? Matthews24 are we in the position where our hearts are not in due diligence in our studies anymore to show ourselves approved where we are now being misled? Are we no longer renewing our mind? Are we no longer seeking accountability? Are we no longer being called to righteousness but instead being called to debauchery? This is the day and time that we're in and it tells us that. It told us in second Timothy chapter two, verse three that in that latter day in second Timothy two that few people will become diverse lovers of themselves and boasters and, and, and, and, and engage in all type of perverse version and atrocities towards Scripture.
[00:41:36] Speaker C: Right.
[00:41:37] Speaker D: So man. Yeah. Mankind, the Hellenists, the people of Europa, the people of Europe, the people who took because indigenous people. We didn't have prostitution.
[00:41:47] Speaker C: Right.
[00:41:47] Speaker D: Roman Greece had it right.
The prostitution, the out don't have any outer rack records. Yeah. And the prostitutes, we picked them up on the corner of the coconut tree. We didn't have that right.
The zoo Aztecs didn't say meet me at the base of the pyramids.
We didn't have prostitution.
We didn't have subjugation in the sense of prostitution and homelessness and, and orphanage and, and all. We didn't have these STDs.
Something was imported or exported upon us and we got to be willing to talk about that. And I shouldn't be wrong because if I'm questioning because you say that we supposed to follow the Bible and Christ warned us.
[00:42:25] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:42:26] Speaker D: That when people, everybody says we're living in the latter day. Well if we're living in the end times, we're living, living in the latter day, we're living in the last days, we're living in the disc. You turn on the news now or the radio or the television and you got people on online talking about sex and how many people they slept with. Somebody said they slept with a thousand and fifty seven men in a twelve hour period. And this is that they're getting, they're getting likes and tweets and, and shares and we all in the church acting righteous but then we know with right side inside that same building there's some corruption taking place because we're no longer being held to the scriptural mandate.
[00:42:58] Speaker C: So. So Dr. V, I got some text coming through and I see someone was calling. I want to, I want to open up the phone line. 323-623-2325-431632-54259. Of course in the family of islands. 2423-00-5720. Our tax line is powered by BTC. It's 422-24796. Of course, standard rate tax rates do apply.
This, this one text says.
Let's see.
Good afternoon Uncle. Can you ask your guest, your guest his understanding of the word Elohim spoken in the Genesis, creation and other parts of the Bible. The Ethiopian Bible has it translate as us and speaks of it in the plural. That being. So is there more than one God or only one rumor? Brother? Yeah. So this word Elohim, is this text okay?
[00:43:54] Speaker D: Yeah, excellent question. Well if you're Talking about Genesis 1:26, let us make human beings in our image and after our likeness. And it says and God said, and he uses the word Elohim. In the Hebrew language languages that'll be Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, Amharic, geese, Nubic, Tamarac, what they call Afro Asiatic languages which are Cushitic languages birthed out of the Bantu cluster of languages and so forth. But in this Afro Asiatic languages of which Semitic is one, you have unlike English, English, you have singular plural, right? You have a word singular. It's going to talk about one thing and everything that's two or more plural.
In this Semitic languages you have singular, you have dual two, you have tri three and you have four or more. I'll say this again, in English you have singular plural. Singular is one, plurals two or more.
Everybody write that down. Plural two or more singular one. That's English, we all should know that. But in the Semitic languages you have singular 1, dual 2.
Try 3 and then 4. Or more. So you would have L E L, Elo or Elo, Eloh, dual, Eloah, E L, O W a H. That's three.
And then Elohim. I said it that read way for a reason. Because when I answered the question but didn't answer, I wanted to address the people that will talk trinity. If it has said Eloah, then you can say God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. But it gives you four, gives you Elohim the yard.
But they call the the one jot or one title, the iota looks like an apostrophe in English. Right. That letter called the yard. The Hebrew word for hand. That letter called a yard. When you see that letter, Yard. Yeah. In Arabic and meme.
Meme. In Arabic it means plural. So you have. It happens. In Arabic they'll say al A L singular.
Allah a L, a duel.
Four or more.
[00:46:24] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:46:24] Speaker D: Why is that important?
Well, these writings come from ancient African original Bible. The original books of the Bible were African texts. The African people were the oldest people on the planet. And their theology and cosmology is not being considered.
When a China man stands up and talks about Kung Fu Tan or talks about Shinzu, we praise his culture and we talk about the Great Walls of China. When an Indian man talks about the Temple of Ramana and the Ganges river and the Harappan civilization, we respect the Vedic text and we praise them. When an Ahura Mazda, the people of Iran talk their doctor. When the Japanese talk Shinto shogun and the Emperor, we respect them. But when an African, when an indigenous person of the Caribbean, when you stand up and say we matter and we had something too, all of a sudden people can't see it. Now back to Elohim.
Elohim.
Is that four?
When we say the original records that the Bible, Septuagint writers, the Greeks, the Macedonians, when they invaded a small portion of Tamara or Africa, of the Nile river valley, called Kemet, born out of the Niger Delta culture that the great Baba Shekhanty Jap spoke about in his writings of the two cradle civilizations.
When you read that, when these Macedonians, Alexander the Greek when they came in and Ptolemy Saltier, they saw your records and they saw what you were doing and they created through Hesiod's writings, through the writings of Herodotus, they and Plato and Socrates and Aristotle, they created their own version of what they saw.
[00:48:17] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:48:18] Speaker D: In that creation, they didn't tell you. You Africans had four creation stories.
You had creation by word.
God said, let there be. That's Word in the beginning.
In the beginning was the Word.
So there's creation by word. But in the Men Fight Theology, the Greeks called it M e M P H I T e Men Fight Theology born out of what's called the Shabaka Papyrus or the Shabaka Stone that's in the British Museum in the United Kingdom. They say it's the. Anyone can go online and type in Shabaka stone and they'll say it's the world's oldest theological and cosmological record.
Because out of this place called Memphis by the Greeks, which we called or hit kata, right, the house of Ta, Todd declared, let there be life.
And he declared it by way of a triune spirit called Huhi, which gives birth to the word Yahweh, which gives birth to the word Nepheshkayim, and Sia, which gives birth to the word usar or Isir. To see the Nazarite, he used a triune principle or trinity for creation.
Then we had creation from a mound, from dirt. Genesis gives you Adam in Genesis 126 that Adam is created by word. Then Genesis 2. Seven, that Adam is created by dirt in Kemet and atum a t u m becomes atom, a t o m becomes Adam, a d a m and male and female created he them and call their name Adam.
That's creation by dirt. Then we had creation from self.
God split of himself a portion, and that portion is Christ. Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Second Colossian, Colossians 4, right. The. The visible image of the invisible God. Well, they said that men took himself in hand.
And when men took himself in hand, he spit forth. And the word men means to come from men. Menelbab. Who's there?
Who amend me? He's for me, I sent him for me.
So that's creation from self to split from self a portion of self. Every human being that's been born, your mother gave of her egg, your father gave up his sperm, split from self to bring forth life.
So we had that's another creation story because we're going ill. Elo Eloa Elohim for creation stories.
And these stories were our way of acknowledging what the Bible said about the elements.
All life comes from earth, wind, water, water and fire.
And we Christians in Hebrews say God said, give them dominion over the fish, water of the sea, and over the foul of the air, and over every creeping thing. Fish, water, foul air, earth, sour of the breath of life, fire, earth, wind, water, fire. Christ blew on his disciples of the Spirit, wind. And it lighted upon them like tongues of clothing. Fire. Fire.
So the elements are there. This is backed up in second Peter's chapter 3, verse 10. This is backed up in Galatians 4:3. When it talks about Galatians 4:3 talks about the bondage under the elemental principles of the world.
In In Second Peter 3:10 it says the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements, earth, wind, water, fire, moon. Nephew said African theology.
[00:52:26] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:52:26] Speaker D: Will melt with intense heat.
Genesis Psalms 139, 15. Woven together in the depths of the earth, the elements are woven together. So the Africans understood this principle.
Yes, you see. And so Elohim is more than one. But it's not more than one God. It's angels who are doing the work of the Most high. Psalms 82. All of you are gods and children of the Most High. Elohim is there in the Hebrew Psalms 82. And children of El Isle.
Elohim is Alif Lebit ha Yadmin.
Most high is Yad Lameth. El is most High is Eli.
God's angels, good angels and bad angels can be Elohim.
There's seraphim that are Elohim. There's cherubim that are Elohim.
And some of the cherubims repented and they stand as guards around the throne according to Ezekiel, you see in the book of Revelation.
[00:53:41] Speaker C: We gotta run the news, man. I I'm really really loving this and I I know our guests, our listeners are as well are getting some more attacks when we come back. Bar sesh.
I want to touch on a text that someone posted to me just now about the relevance of all of this.
[00:53:59] Speaker D: This.
[00:53:59] Speaker C: Right? Why is this important? You know, why are we talking about all of this stuff? I'm going to read the text when we come back and then we'll be back here on Guardian Radio today. Keep it locked here on on 96.9 FM grand would you cause that.
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[00:58:02] Speaker C: And welcome back to Guardian Radio today.
My name is Pastor Dr. Cleveland W. Eneas III, also known as Kahun Ankusara.
We have been having a great conversation today with our Special guest rev. Dr. A.J. varma of the holy Coptic church of the Black Messiah. And today's topic is, is the Bible simply the word of God or has man interfered with it?
We've been having great discussion with regard to who has been interfering with scripture. There's a whole Bible verse talking about the, the saints of Caesar and these, these different rulers who, who've found their way into scripture. The scriptures are talking about it and it's affecting us. So I, I wanna, we're gonna open the phone lines. 323-623-2325-431632-54259. Of course in the family of islands. 2423-00-5720. Our text line is 422- Dr. Varma. So we, we have some text coming through and, and one of the main points, this text, it's pretty long text. I'm going to read all of it. But the relevance of what we're talking about today, why is this important? Are we just talking about this to say we know something you don't know or is this ultimately the reason we're discussing it is going to have some effect on the people who actually decide to look into it? What is the relevance of it all?
[00:59:36] Speaker D: Well, the relevance is, number one, once you begin to, it says you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Okay, if our condition, globally, nationally in Bahamas, nationally in Liberia, nationally in America, globally on earth, if black people's condition has not changed, young people are shooting and stabbing each other.
Let's have a real conversation. Right?
[01:00:06] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:00:07] Speaker D: The, the young, the younger people have, they've been frustrated, they're angry, they're let down, they're disappointed. The old, older people, right? We might be too old to do certain stupid things, but we, we feel. So when that's happening, the question has to be why?
If we know this truth, then we supposed to be set free, right?
If Christ came, which we admit he came, and Christ defeated in his death and resurrection and he overcame evil and blah, blah, then why is evil thriving?
And I have a right to ask that question. That don't make me not Christian. That makes me more Christian. Because Christ was questioning the religions and religious teachers and teachings of his time.
[01:00:53] Speaker C: Right, right.
[01:00:54] Speaker D: So when we begin to question, then the younger people might go, oh, let me listen to question in the way we question. We got children, young people living with the age of technology. When I say young people, anybody under the age of 100. Right. Because you're as young as you feel.
[01:01:07] Speaker C: Right?
[01:01:08] Speaker D: Right. But now questioning is also important because it deals with addressing lies, questioning lies. It exposes teachings that contradict Christ's teaching teachings. It, it exposes teachings that contradict scriptures. If you're a Muslim, it exposes teachings that contradict the Quran. See, when you question the liar don't want to be questioned. The truth teller like this. Let's rock what we want to know.
[01:01:33] Speaker C: We got a couple callers on the line right now. Let's run to the callers here on Guardian radio today. Caller, you're live on Guardian Radio today with our special guest, Dr. Vama.
[01:01:45] Speaker F: Yes, good day, Brother Angu. And good day to your guests.
[01:01:47] Speaker C: Good day, my brother.
[01:01:50] Speaker F: Well, I agree, I agree that the truth is no contradiction. So the truth is welcoming of questions.
The truth never runs away from questions.
But I agree with, you know, with the conversation today mostly, I mean, I could say I agree with the conversation, but I don't feel as if, you know, we have the word of God. It has obviously been manipulated in some form or fashion because the Bible we have locked certain books. You know what I mean? It's incomplete. You know what I mean? I think the Ethiopian Bible has 80, 80 something books in it. So, you know what I mean? So if we have a Bible, they have a Bible and their Bible has way more books than ours and even older than ours, then I mean, you know, you know, it gives the thinking person the idea that, hey, you know something, maybe I should not take this thing that I have in front of me fully and say that's the only thing I need to look at. Maybe I need to look somewhere else and try to do some seek and seek diligently for some other kind of answer. But in all of the things that the Bible is talking about, I feel as if the in it is still a message, an important message that we can draw from it and that we need even today.
[01:03:01] Speaker C: Right.
So get to the question. Sorry.
[01:03:05] Speaker F: Yeah, yeah. I wanted to ask Dr. Varma, what is the most important message that a person like me living today should be looking for other than right. Because the Bible talks about the return of a savior, etc. What should I be looking for more than a savior coming to save me and et cetera, but when it comes to truth. But Obama, what. What greater truth is there? Or what other truth can we prove other than who the king of kings is And. And the importance of the King of kings and. Because that's the only thing that we can really say. Well, what is the truth? And the King of kings isn't.
[01:03:45] Speaker D: The answer to the question what is the truth is what the Messiah says. See, what I say don't mean nothing. What did Christ say? He said in Matthews 5:17.
Think not that I've come to destroy the laws, which is the Torah. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, all the prophets, which is the huff's tortoise, everything from Joshua through Malachi. For I have not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill.
Then it goes on. It says, until heaven and earth pass away, one jot nor one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law to all be fulfilled. Then it goes on to say, I say unto you that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. It goes on to say, whoever teaches the people to obey the laws. See, the Bible's not. The problem is that someone's telling us we don't have to follow the laws of the Torah. We don't have to. We. We have a book that has Genesis to Malachi. And we'll use the story of David, we'll use the story of. Of Solomon, we'll use the story of Abraham, we'll use the story of. Of Malachi. We use it. But all of these people were devout in their obedience to the Lord. Job says. Job was a devout man.
So the greatest message that Christ himself was advocating again in Matthews 5:17 on through 22. We have to get back to the law.
[01:05:17] Speaker C: Right?
[01:05:18] Speaker D: Our societies have strayed.
We. We no longer dressing the way we're supposed to, very inappropriate in our dress. We're no longer. We're not wearing the beard. Scripture says we're a be. We're eating pork. Scripture says don't eat pork. Bryce didn't eat pork. There was no pig at the Last Supper.
I don't want to be the bad guy. There might be some pig at the Easter Supper, but there's no pig at the Last Supper because it was Passover, right? He. He observed the.
The Sabbath. You talk about Ten Commandments, but one of the Ten Commandments is Obey the Sabbath.
[01:05:46] Speaker C: It.
[01:05:47] Speaker D: We. I understand 613. But we went from 613 to 10 to now, which which of the Ten Commandments are people even following the basic 10? Covet your neighbor's wife. People don't seem to have that one down back. All right, Also, observe the Sabbath. Ain't doing that one. What else? So, and I'm not saying it to be comical. And should we be following the law? Because, see, in the law, did we honor our mothers and fathers.
[01:06:11] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:06:12] Speaker D: Yeah. See, kids wouldn't be tripping, but you told them they don't got to follow that one anymore. We don't got to honor our mothers and fathers anymore. Yes, parents want respect, but we're not being honorable. We're not teaching them a code. Where's the moral code?
Where's the code? Where's the rules? God gave us rules. Jesus. Jesus Christ, the son of God, obeyed the commandments.
And me and you, we don't have to do that no more. Okay? We don't have. We don't have to brush our teeth in the morning, but we do it because it's necessary. You don't gotta wipe when you go to the bathroom, but you do it because it's ne. I mean, I'm just saying. Another call.
[01:06:51] Speaker C: I'm with you.
[01:06:53] Speaker D: You don't have to do. It's a different kind of calling.
[01:07:00] Speaker C: You live here on Guardian Radio.
[01:07:01] Speaker D: Everybody said you have to wipe, right? You have to wipe.
[01:07:05] Speaker C: Calling you there.
Call it going once.
All right, caller, I got a text I want to read here. It says everyone. Everyone wants to disrespect the African race. I agree with the gentleman. But everything written is from men, no matter when it was written.
So it's not a question. Yeah, but. Yeah.
[01:07:27] Speaker D: No, no, no, no, wait. Whoa, stop. So that's. We got to stop that. Yeah. Everything written is written by men, no matter where it was written. Right. But written by men for who? Who? Ah.
The China man was writing records for Chinese people. Thus China is glorified, respected, and Chinese kids are culturally intact. The Indian man from India was writing records for Indian people by Indian hands to glorify Indian mind and Indian ways and Indian culture and Indian foods. Thus, the Indian people of East India are respected.
The Japanese man and woman. Japanese woman had culture written for her, music written for her. Look. Written written for her, thus glorifying her, and she's culturally intact.
So. Yes, but. So we need some records written by African women and African men, because these records exist. These were our scriptures. These were our records. The Italian scriptures glorify the Vatican. The. The Russian scripture, The. The Russian Orthodox Church glorifies Mother Russia. The rules the, the Greek Orthodox Church glorifies Greece. The Roman Orthodox Church glorifies Rome. The, the French Orthodox Church glorifies France. The, the. The. The. The. The Dutch, their church, their doctrine. But where's the. So we need. Yes, written by people, but whatever is written by your people for your people will keep your people intact. We are the only ones that are culturally no longer intact because we're the only ones reading everyone else's books.
[01:08:56] Speaker C: Some more calls coming through here on Guardian Radio today. 3236-2323-2543-6325-4259. In the family of islands. 242-35720. Caller, you're live here on Guardian Radio today.
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[01:09:34] Speaker D: Good afternoon, Uncle.
[01:09:36] Speaker C: How you doing?
[01:09:37] Speaker D: To answer your question, and good afternoon to your guest.
Listen. Good afternoon.
I believe in that book, which is the word of God.
And I do believe that some men are tampering with the word. What that word say when we look and we can see that you get a church in Chicago, an apostle and have the policeman as his first man, and he's sitting up on the pulpit, Right.
We can see even on our local churches, Tim, when we goes to church, we supposed to be taught about the word of God, this God who we are serving to know more about him, about the word.
[01:10:39] Speaker H: But when we go to the church.
[01:10:40] Speaker D: And because pastors, no, we don't read the book, he tell us anything from the pulpit, the people run round, spin round, jump. They see a miracle, sow the seed, do the next thing. And we call that change.
We call that change.
[01:11:01] Speaker C: Do you have a question for the guest today? I agree with you. We got a question for Dr. Obama today.
[01:11:06] Speaker H: No, I am saying what he is saying.
[01:11:09] Speaker C: You agreeing with it?
[01:11:10] Speaker H: What he's saying is it's right.
[01:11:12] Speaker C: Okay.
[01:11:13] Speaker D: You understand? Yes, thank you.
[01:11:15] Speaker C: Yes. I appreciate the call. 323-623-232, 54316.
[01:11:20] Speaker D: I like what the caller said, by the way, because the question is essential. People make it. Like when you're questioning them, you're questioning God. No, no. Our Father who art in heaven. God's in heaven. I ain't questioning God.
[01:11:34] Speaker C: Right.
[01:11:34] Speaker D: I'm questioning you.
Right. And you can't answer the question. So now you want to hide behind God? God didn't do what you're doing. God didn't mistranslate the scripture. God didn't send the. The invaders to colonize and subjugate minds and miseducate people. That's not right. That's human beings. So don't let people. Every time we have these kind of subjects on any interview, at a university, at a church service or whatever people thought. You questioning God? No, I'm not. God's in. In heaven. You say I'm questioning you as a representation of God. You say you represent your God. My God is an often God. Awesome God. Yes.
From heaven above he prayed. I love the song.
[01:12:17] Speaker C: Right.
[01:12:17] Speaker D: Okay. If your God is awesome, defend the truth that you teach. Defend what you. That's what our church says. We go out and we pick a good fight, we get in good trouble.
[01:12:27] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:12:28] Speaker D: By speak by. By being Christ. Like Christ was not. He was going up against the Pharisees.
Imagine what type of way. How would he be dealing with the prosperity gospel? Talking about seeding and sewing and seeding and seeding and got grandmother seating their last pennies into the pulpit, into the coffers and nothing coming of it. Would Christ sit back and be like, oh, well, you know, to each let live. No, he was in there flipping tables.
[01:12:52] Speaker C: That's right. That's right. Let's run back to the performance.
[01:12:55] Speaker D: I can't go in nobody's church, but I can flip your mind and turn the tables. And turn the tables. It's going to be offended, right? A truth love, a lover of truth.
Christ told the Told. Told the Pharisees. You, you. You say you're of Abraham in John chapter 10. You say you're of Abraham, but you can't be of Abraham because if you were of Abraham, you would know me because I come forth from Abraham. But. And you would know that what I speak is the truth. But you cannot accept the truth because the truth is not in your father, the devil. John 8:44. He was a liar and a murderer from the very beginning and abode not in the truth. And when he speaketh, he speaketh a lie because he is a liar and the father of lies. So any pastor that can't handle a conversation, any theologian that can't an imam or rabbi is. Is what I'm saying wrong. Is what Kahun Ankusara is saying wrong. Is what the holy cryptic church of the Black Messiah is saying wrong. Does it hurt feelings? I'm sure everybody Got hurt feelings. I got hurt feelings. White might not make me some. Some. Some potato salad. I get upset. You made me no potato.
Get hurt feeling. But is what we're saying wrong or is it just hurting your. Your. Your tenderness.
[01:14:05] Speaker C: Right. That's right.
[01:14:06] Speaker D: We're questioning the validity in the. In the. In the. In. In the mid. Every Friday at Kuppa or in the synagogue. Every time at the Rostam, in the lodge, in the. In the fraternities and the sororities, in the Eastern stuff. And you're standing there and perpetrating a lie to the people without saying, let me just go learn the truth. It is not hard to go learn the truth and just teach people the truth. It's hard to maintain a lie. Oh, if you run in the street. Oh, if you cheating on your spouse. Oh, if you sneaking out the house so mama don't find out. That's hard. You gotta plan it. You gotta be slinking behind it. Got two phones, one hitting under the back of the hood. And all kind of weird stuff that people go through to maintain a lie.
[01:14:46] Speaker C: Right. That's run back to.
[01:14:48] Speaker D: Truth is open.
[01:14:49] Speaker C: Amen. Amen. Call her. You are on the phone. Lines are lit up, so I want to try to get as many of them in as possible.
You're on Guardian Radio today, caller. You're live.
[01:14:59] Speaker H: I appreciate that. Good afternoon. How you doing, Uncle?
[01:15:01] Speaker C: I'm well, my brother.
[01:15:03] Speaker H: Okay. And what's. What's the name of your guest?
[01:15:05] Speaker C: Dr. Varma.
[01:15:08] Speaker H: Good afternoon, Dr. Varma.
[01:15:09] Speaker D: How are you?
Good afternoon. I'm doing well. How about yourself?
[01:15:12] Speaker H: I'm doing okay, thank you. Excellent communication. I'm listening in and out of the conversation, but I'm listening nonetheless.
And something you just said hit me. And I got to. With the other callers. Uncle, you know, I want to correlate what you just said to leadership in the country.
[01:15:32] Speaker D: Right.
[01:15:33] Speaker H: Can you all hear me?
[01:15:34] Speaker C: Yeah, loud and clear.
[01:15:36] Speaker H: And when I say leadership, I'm not just speaking. I'm not speaking specifically to the leadership. Is, for instance, anyone in leadership, whether it be on a job, whether it be in politics, period.
[01:15:47] Speaker D: Right.
[01:15:48] Speaker H: What you said is so powerful in terms of you challenging the message that the individual is putting across and trying to sell it as though it's the philosophy of the manufacturer in the instance, whether it be in the work environment, whether it be in the home environment, whether it be in a religious environment.
[01:16:08] Speaker D: Right.
[01:16:10] Speaker H: And persons become upset with you because you have the ability to see through the nonsense that they speak or the lies that they tell or the misinformation that they provide and they have a tendency to try to make you the bad guy. We had the same conversation yesterday, uncle, with your Uncle Munnings.
[01:16:30] Speaker D: Mr. Munnings.
[01:16:31] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:16:31] Speaker D: Right.
[01:16:32] Speaker H: And so the very same thing translates even down to our leaders in politics in this country. And until we get all persons who have the same heart and mindset as to be able to accept and self review or introspect and humble themselves to be able to do that, we will be struggling and strong until we get all persons on that same accord which being you are in right now. Thank you for Tony, Uncle. God bless.
[01:16:59] Speaker C: God bless my brother.
Any comments? Boss says I got a text here waiting.
[01:17:05] Speaker D: No, he said how do you follow with somebody. Yeah, I know.
[01:17:07] Speaker C: He, he just, he had the nail on the head. He had the nail on the head.
Oh, I see the phone. Let's run to this next call and then I'll go to the text caller. You're live here on Guardian radio today. How you doing?
[01:17:19] Speaker D: Hello.
[01:17:20] Speaker C: How you doing?
[01:17:21] Speaker D: Right, everybody.
[01:17:22] Speaker H: Now I quite get what you all said but I know the King James version of the Bible that is fulfilling.
[01:17:31] Speaker D: Going to what I see, you know.
[01:17:33] Speaker H: It says some things in there where the church will be.
[01:17:38] Speaker C: Let me just make sure you know because you said you wasn't sure. We, we're. We're saying is the Bible simply the word of God or have men interfered with it?
[01:17:46] Speaker H: That's that one time you all said yes. The same Bible with more chapter or something.
[01:17:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:17:57] Speaker H: The King James Legion.
That is fulfilling because just like the same man to be lover themselves and like say children on and obey your parents. You see these young boys getting teared up on things. You know they ain't listening to no parents because you know in our younger days, hey, it was a different ball game but it say in a lot of days what it was going to be like and I could see it happening right now.
[01:18:21] Speaker C: So you're saying caller. I just want to be clear for the question for Dr. Vaughn. Mama. You're saying that as far as you see it, the King James version is fulfilling. And, and, and what you're saying is it's not tampered with. I'm just trying to be clear.
[01:18:34] Speaker H: Yeah. Like I'm saying if you really look from the saying in the later days you can see it's true. When he was younger your case was different.
When he's younger we go to church now falling off the Bible said that's an old.
[01:18:52] Speaker C: So your phone. Yeah, your phone is a little distorted. But Dr. Vomi, he was saying that what he sees so far with regard to the King James Version, he's saying that it's fulfilling based on what you were talking about in I think in second Timothy and this idea of, you know, people acting out and loving themselves and etc.
[01:19:16] Speaker D: Etc.
So it's right then we got to ask the question, is it. See, we think prophecy, that word is such a. Such a dangerous word in the way in which it's been written and the way in which has been mistaught and interpreted. We're thinking, oh, I'm reading this book and the Hellenists who put this version and this thing together in the Vulgate the Italians of Rome. I'm reading this book and this book is a prediction fiction from somewhere. No, I'm reading a book that someone is writing about their conquest.
[01:19:52] Speaker C: Oh, wow.
[01:19:53] Speaker D: Writing as to how they're going to take this message of the Church of Caesar, of the Gospel of Caesar or Caesar Gospels that most people have no knowledge about. They just go online and type in the word Caesar without an S, gospels with an S. And you'll find that someone has exported. And they're giving you play by play each generation of how you once you and I were taken from the law. Isaiah 19 talks about that law. Hosea, chapter three and chapter four, Hosea 4 talks about balance. They they're telling you once you Deuteronomy 28, Deuteronomy 7. Once we worship and follow the ways of the king that Christ said, don't mess with them Samaritans. The Samaritans are one of the tribes of cannon. Don't go to the Matthews 10 tell the Canaanite woman in Matthews 15:21 I wasn't sent to y' all the book of Deuteronomy 7. If you get with these Canaanites, if you follow them, they will lead you to worship their gods. They will lead you to your demise. They will will lead you to no longer follow my law. And once that happens, you will become a bastard and a laughing stock and your daughters will be prostituted. Ezekiel 16, it warns us in Ezekiel 28 about this king of Thyroid Sidon. It warns us in Revelations 18 about Babylon falling and us following the ways of Babylon. It warns us we're being warned. The scriptures are very clear, but the fulfilling is that that someone is using someone is what you got? There's a whole documentary and it's on.
On YouTube. It's a documentary from Al Jazeera. It's called Witness w I T N E S S Witness two part. Watch it. You have some, some Christians right, within the moral majority in the United States and the alt right and all these, you know, a lot of races, by the way, and they are going out of their way. They're going to say they're not a racist, right? During slavery, the slave master said, he's not a slaver, he's doing what God instructed him. So nobody's ever to blame for the thing that they're doing. But I digress. That's another conversation, right? But in this documentary, Witness, you got 80 million plus 80 plus million in America and all around the world. You know, make Europe great again. There's a whole slogan going on in Europe right now. I'm in the United Kingdom right now. And they got these flags everywhere.
The other day, walking with the Family, and I'm like, what is all this flag? Come to find out, These people, are they on that same stuff? Right.
[01:22:28] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:22:29] Speaker D: And yeah, it's interesting to say the least.
[01:22:32] Speaker C: Right?
[01:22:32] Speaker D: And as this is happening and everyone's trying to act like we don't see what we see.
Like we don't see that there's a shift, there's. There's a cold wind is blowing. So when you see this happening, yes, it's fulfilling, but someone is going out of their way to fulfill it, to then justify saying something, gonna bring somebody forward and say, it's Jesus, he's back.
And it says, they warned us in Matthews 24, if they say to you, lo, he's here, believe it not, Lo, he's there in a cave. Don't fall for Lo, he's over here. And that's what they're setting up. They're fulfilled. They're purposely allowing the massacre of people, people all around the world, from Ukraine to Russia to Palestine to Israel, they want blood. In this documentary, Witness, they say they want blood to rain. And they're talking about different administrations of different governments around the world. I'll let you watch it to discover for yourself. And these, if you dare, want to find the truth. It's called Witness.
[01:23:34] Speaker C: Yes, indeed.
[01:23:35] Speaker D: It's a free. And if you watch it, you'll see they're trying to fulfill these things, to bring in, usher in the man of sin. Ephesians.
[01:23:44] Speaker C: This is more like a blueprint.
[01:23:46] Speaker D: It's a blueprint. You think, oh, my, this is. I wonder why this is happening. This is a sign. Yeah, It's a sign that the God of this world, Satan, 2nd Corinthians 4, 4, that he's in Control. And he's manipulating prophecy. What you are interpreting as prophecy. And he's, they call it a self fulfilling prophecy. You know, if you're a person, say I'm too big, I'm too black, I'm too dark. No, no one's going to love me, no one's going to want me. And then nobody likes you or wants you in your mind. You fulfill the old prophecy. He's doing exactly that and it's beguiling the people because he promised us that his Christ was going to come back in the year 2000. I'm old enough to remember when all the churches were preaching, oh, the year 2000, Jesus is coming. I'm 52 years old. So they can run that on maybe the 20 year old. But those of us 45 and above or 40 and above who was paying attention, we were told that when the year 2000 Christ was coming back.
[01:24:37] Speaker C: That's right.
[01:24:39] Speaker D: When we got closer and closer and closer and closer. And when 2000 came, Y2K computer shut down 9999 and Christ didn't come back. Oh, they did a warp. Prosperity gospel. God wants you to be rich. God wants you to have. God wants you to, he wants you to be. God wants the best for you. God. And they switched that sucker. You started seeding and sewing it. People had prayer cloths. And then the doctrine changed. And now after 25 years of prosperity gospel, first of all, all, can't everybody prosper? Because there ain't enough money in the world for everybody to have prospered that way. There's not talking about it that way, but they promoted it. And oh, don't question. God loves you. If you're not prospering, that's because you don't this and you got a seed. And then now after 25 years of prosperity, 25 plus years, damn near 30 years of prosperity gospel, now they need another. They need something else. Because the church people, oh the money, money drying up. People questioning people doubting people like ah man, come on, you got pastors getting caught in the puppy parties. You know what I'm talking about. All this starts to happen. We got to make another switch. Oh, there's wars. These are the prophecies. We got to save Israel. Oh, Israel. Without questioning these designers, we're not questioning what's a Zionist. We're not questioning what's it. We're not questioning this. I know the blast how you a pastor reading. I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not. They're the synagogue of Satan. Well, which group of Jews are the synagogue of Satan? Satan. Which ones are the blasphemy? I'm not, I ain't saying it's this one or that one. I'm saying are you at least even telling your congregation to question or are you leading them to believe that massacre and babies is righteousness killing people? Oh, but the Bible says that, you know, Samson pushed down all the people. Yeah, we know. We know. Solomon Gamora lots people. They killed everybody and saved a lot only for him and his daughters to have sex because he got drunk. His righteousness, people. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not saying the real life story, right, that story that translates, that story is justified. That just the angels got sent to get him and his family out. And the first thing this fool do is go get drunk. And the second thing, his crazy daughter, excuse my language, they go to do is get. Get him drunk so they can lay with him and get pregnant by him. And that's the story we teaching the kids and wonder why the kids are dysfunctional. We're giving them stories like we might as well be reading the translation of Alex in Wonderland.
We're gonna run to a break reading some real stories.
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[01:29:01] Speaker C: Welcome back to Guardian Radio today our Special guest rev. Dr. A.J. vaughn of the Holy Coptic Church. My name is Kahun Ankusara also known as Pastor Dr. Cleveland W Eneas III. Let's run straight to the phone lines call you live here on Guardian Radio today.
Hello, how you doing?
[01:29:17] Speaker E: Yeah, Good afternoon to Dr. A.J.
[01:29:19] Speaker D: Rama.
[01:29:21] Speaker E: I'll make this one quick.
[01:29:22] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:29:23] Speaker E: The thing that I wanted to do was I glad I have the level of knowledge, the threshold just to know that what Dr. Varma is saying is absolutely true. Right. But the thing is for me is the fact that remember when you and I had that when we had made that quotation from the Bible when he found out of Egypt.
[01:29:39] Speaker C: Right, that's right.
[01:29:40] Speaker E: You know I got into problem with some of my fellow blacks. They couldn't believe that but I just wanted to show them that so far Isaiah 13:4 the psychology isn't. I just wanted to put this in.
[01:29:49] Speaker H: King James had no version.
[01:29:50] Speaker E: He simply copied what was already existing. So I also have a question for the doctor in the fact that I was gifted a book from a very rich friend of mine. I never looked at it. The book is called the Bhagavad Gito. I want to know if it's worth reading because it's an Indian book and he was talking about the spiritual context for the different races of people. And obviously anyone who reads the Bible and follow transliteration and lexicology would know that incorporation in the Bible has been adulterated. I'll just hang up and listen. It's obvious. It's clear for man to see that man has adulterated and tampered with the Bible. Given the fact that the Ethiopian Bible has 82 etc. Etc.
The Bible has been canonized.
[01:30:28] Speaker D: Give thanks.
[01:30:29] Speaker C: Thank you. So the B, B B.
[01:30:34] Speaker D: What about it? Should we read it?
[01:30:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:30:36] Speaker D: He wanted first of all we seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave.
[01:30:40] Speaker C: Amen.
[01:30:41] Speaker D: You see the book of Acts tells us about they were devout, devout men from all nations under heaven.
And Acts chapter two which aligns with the book of Genesis, chapter 11.
Right. With the confounding of the tongues they say out of the great Bantu cluster. Right. The Bantu migration out of equatorial sub Saharan Africa.
Now so we can read everything. I didn't say follow everything but. But read it, right? Edify study to show thyself approved. Edify yourself. Yeah, I'll read the writings of Shinsu I'll read the writings of Kung Fu Tang. I'll read the writings of Shinto. I'll read the writings. Things we reckon we study in our church. We have what's called critical theology. We read the views, we study them. Why? So that when I'm talking to someone of East Indian ancestry, I understand where they're coming from.
Not to converted by them, but to appreciate them.
[01:31:30] Speaker C: Amen.
[01:31:30] Speaker D: And that which they have to offer to humanity.
[01:31:34] Speaker C: Right, Right. We got another call.
[01:31:36] Speaker D: Respect.
[01:31:37] Speaker C: We got another caller here on Guardian Radio today. Caller, you're live here on Guardian Radio today.
Call it going once.
All right. We got a text. This text just says, if I may. It says, Jesus. You were talking about the law. You're talking about the law. Earlier, Jesus simplified the law in Matthew 22, verses 36 to 40. It's not complicated as 613 or 10.
[01:32:01] Speaker D: What?
[01:32:02] Speaker C: What say?
[01:32:03] Speaker D: Well, again, that's. We're just reading Matthew 22.
Look at it, Matthews.
[01:32:10] Speaker C: 22, verses 36 to 40.
[01:32:14] Speaker D: 36 to 40.
All right, let's see. And we're going to look at it in the language, quickly, because we know the time.
[01:32:20] Speaker C: Right?
[01:32:21] Speaker D: Right. Okay. You want to read it? If you don't mind.
[01:32:24] Speaker C: Sure, no problem. Matthew 22. Getting to verse 36. It says, Master, which is the great commandment in the law. Verse 37. Jesus said unto them.
[01:32:33] Speaker D: Him.
[01:32:34] Speaker C: Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind.
[01:32:40] Speaker D: This is. Wait a minute. So that. That's the same. It's called.
That's not a new law.
Hero. Children of Israel. The Lord, or they translate as the Lord thy God is one God. Right. So that's not new.
Then it goes on. Continue.
[01:32:57] Speaker C: Says, this is the first and great commandment.
[01:33:01] Speaker D: It's called the Shema Yisrael, the name.
And the second is like unto it, you shall love thy neighbor as thyself.
That's. But that's Old Testament. It taught Israel to love Israel, Ishmael to love Ishmael, Midian to love. The seed of Abraham would love itself love of self and kind.
But that doesn't say. Don't follow the rest of the Lord. Let me tell you why I say that. Because. Because of the last book of the Bible, Revelations 22.
The very last book of the message. Right, the very last book. Right. In Revelation, chapter 22. Let me bring it up. It tells us something that most people don't want to deal with.
But then it says that the law would have to be followed until the end. When you get Revelations 22.
[01:33:47] Speaker C: I have it, I have it.
[01:33:49] Speaker D: Okay, which verse? And we're going to go all the way down because before they can tell us that this is not real, right? Revelations 22, it tells us about the Lord. Revelation 22, it says in verse 10 Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust. People want to stay unjust, that's up to you. He that is filthy, let him be filthy. You want to be into filth, go ahead. He that is righteous, let him be righteous. And he that is holy, let him be holy. I come quickly. Behold, my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be. I'm the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Now 14. Blessed are they that do his commandments.
Commandments Creator, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city, the New Jerusalem, Crystal City. For without Revelation 21 for without outside our dogs and and sorcerers and whoremongers and murderers and idolaters and whoever loveth and maketh a lie in trouble. I have sent my angel to testify unto those things to the, in the churches. So all the churches, it's going to be testified to this to the, to the Pentecostal, it's going to be said to the, to the Mormons, going to be said to Jehovah's Witness, it's going to be said to the Seven Day Adventist is going to be said to the Catholics and the Anglicans and the Methodists and the Lutherans and the Episcopalians and, and the non denominational, you're gonna be told we're gonna get called out, right? Then it goes on going down 17. And the spirit and the bride say come. And let him that heareth say come. And let him that is a thirst come. And whosoever will let him take the water of life freely. For eyes of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add on to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the plain the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book. So when we are violating this book, when we are violating the commandments that are in this book, when we're going against the laws of this Book. When we're violating the Tonak or the Torah or the Torah of this book.
And that's so. So it is Christ. Yeah. Matthews, 21. Excellent. But that Revelations. Oh, it puts that little. That little cream on the top, right? Because it's very clear that we have to follow the law. We have to. There is no new law, he said, till heaven and earth pass away. But Revelations answers it. It's the finality of the scripture, right? And in it, Revelations 21, very clear, but the fearful. Revelation 21, verse 8. But the fearful and unbelieving and the abominable and the murderers and the whoremongers and the sorcerers and the idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
The seven vials. He talks about.
He talks about following the commandments, why we keep getting away from the comm. But let me always ask people a question. What. What's. What's the worst that could happen if we followed the law? You mean if we actually followed the Levitical dietary law and didn't eat crap, we wouldn't get diabetes? Diabetes. We wouldn't get high blood pressure. We wouldn't get gout. We wouldn't get all the poisons. If we put down the marijuana and we put down the poisons and the poisoned foods and stop eating all the crap and get back to growing our gardens and get back to living in God's law and God's grace. Get back to the commandments, get back to nature.
What's the worst that'll happen? You mean. You mean I gotta wait till the doctor tells me I can't eat pig no more? Then I'll stop when my ankles a bit too big to fit in the shoe, and I'm okay with that. When I look at my grandmother, her ankles are swollen. I'm okay. You're okay. Looking at your rheumatoid arthritis. That's a direct result of the pig that he's eaten and have he had followed God's commandments. Just simply don't eat the pig because it's not good for you. Just because it's not good for you, that's all. Not because it don't taste good. Yeah, it tastes good. Put some barbecue sauce. I ain't never had it, but I heard from what people told me that it tastes delicious. Okay, it's delicious. But everything that's delicious ain't good for.
[01:37:44] Speaker C: For you, right?
[01:37:45] Speaker D: Following the commandments, you mean? Just following the laws that say don't do this and like light three candles. Takes you five minutes to light your Sabbath candles. Well, it's five minutes. But you know what's good? If I'm lighting my Sabbath candles, where will I not be? If I'm observing the Sabbath, I'm not at the club. And if I'm not at the club, I probably can't get shot at the club. I probably can't get, you know, lose up all my money gambling at the club. I can't give all my money away to the stripper because I'm not at the club. I'm at with my family lighting the candles, making my prayers. So it's going to make my family life better because I ain't out there coming home at three in the morning because I got to be with the sun goes down to light my candles. You see what I'm saying?
[01:38:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:38:20] Speaker D: So following the Lord puts our houses in order, puts our lives in order, puts our families in order, gives. That's the blessing.
[01:38:28] Speaker C: Amen.
[01:38:29] Speaker D: We want the blessing. We want a good husband, a good wife, good kids. But we're doing things that lead to problems.
[01:38:36] Speaker E: Right?
[01:38:36] Speaker C: We got one more caller. Let's see if we can get this last call in. Caller, you got about 30 seconds or less to ask your question because we're coming to the end of the show calling you live.
[01:38:48] Speaker H: Yeah, I think Doc owe me some minutes. And Doc, I think. I think I'll just call another time because.
[01:38:57] Speaker C: Go ahead, we're listening.
[01:39:00] Speaker H: Doc, I just. The second show that you had that I agree with some things that you're saying. And I. I was trying to put this question together for weeks and you said everything that I wanted to ask on the lg, the LGBQ thing. Let me ask you a question. As far as you said Christ Church, these people seem to be every year out in a new L. Not engaged, bisexual. Only thing I think they need to add now is nasty. Let me ask you a question then. You speak about Christ. You think Christ people should be taking it as a status to be with these people who are gay because probably one is a minister or one is this and that. You think God people should really want to have a status with them. I'm not saying that you convert them, but I'm not talking about the convert part and being as a part of them, but I'm talking about wanting to be in status with them.
[01:39:52] Speaker D: All right, we're saying 2nd Corinthians 11:4. There's a. We are being warned about another Jesus, another gospel and another spirit in 2nd Corinthians 4:4. We're being warned that Satan is the God of this world.
We're being warned in Ezekiel 28 that the prince of Fire and Sidon is the God of this world. We're being warned in Isaiah 14, how thou fallen verse verse 12, oh, Lucifer, son of the dawn. And he says, I will be God above all that is called God. So somebody has usurped the spiritual doctrines of the world's melanated people and inserted themselves in the position of the Most High. This is in again, Isaiah 14, 12, 16, Ezekiel 28, Revelations 8. These are not quotes that I'm making. Look, this is what's in the Bible that everybody says they believe in.
And so we got to ask the question. We keep saying God, could it be that 2nd Corinthians 11:4 and 2nd Corinthians 4:4 and 2nd Timothy 2:3. Could it be that the man of sin and it says the word anomia causing you to miss the mark, that somebody's leading us as the people of God to miss the mark and instead of worshiping the Most High, they got us worshiping the other guy? It's just a question.
I would invite your listeners to go ahead and seek out the realities to that, not what, what you feel, because I know we got some hurt feelings today. I got it. I understand. When I first heard the truth, they hurt my feelings too. But I quickly fell in love with the truth because the truth will make you free. And I give praise to the Most High Heavenly One for making me question and see the world in reality, in real time and use it to do better for myself and the people who are in the world that leave the world a little bit better, I hope, when I leave than what I found.
[01:41:42] Speaker C: Amen.
[01:41:43] Speaker D: That's what the Christ consciousness and the Christ Spirit of truth.
[01:41:47] Speaker C: Thank you.
[01:41:47] Speaker D: You speak before governors, you'll speak before the world. It's time for true Christians to stand up and speak the truth.
[01:41:55] Speaker C: Yes, indeed. Our special guest today, rev. Dr. A.J. vama here on Guardian Radio. Today we are fresh out of time.
And so next time we'll have him get into exactly who this other Jesus is, what this other gospel actually is. We're going to talk more about that another time, but my name is Pastor Dr. Cleveland W. Enas III, also known as Kahun Ankusara. Keep it locked here on 96.9 Guardian Radio, and we'll see you next time.
[01:42:22] Speaker D: Namaste.