Guardian Radio Today - June 9 2026

[00:00:00] Speaker A: This is Guardian Radio, your station for [00:00:03] Speaker B: up to the minute news and intelligent, interactive and engaging conversations. 96.9 FM. The views and opinions of the hosts and guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the [00:00:19] Speaker A: management and staff of Guardian Radio. Guardian Radio Today is brought to you by the Cleveland Clinic and Prince Masters. Yes, sir. [00:00:38] Speaker B: We in the house. Yeah, it's strictly for my people right here, nobody else. [00:00:50] Speaker A: So if you don't get it, don't worry about it. [00:00:52] Speaker B: Here we go. [00:00:54] Speaker A: I do it for my people like David the Goliath off with your head Everybody start a riot Sick and tired of excuses all you really needed was food, clothing, shelter My people at the [00:01:07] Speaker B: exit with that cardboard sign the world still a ghetto and we know it's [00:01:12] Speaker A: by the side Ambition in my eyes [00:01:14] Speaker B: like Roscoe Pete, go train my haters [00:01:17] Speaker A: look surprised, surprise, surprise like cream of the crop see I rise I still found truth Even though you lied they tried and tried but we didn't die, we multiplied like pied from my people [00:01:30] Speaker B: Sometimes they act like beasts. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Who raised you? [00:01:33] Speaker B: Mothers killing your own immigrants, the streets. [00:01:35] Speaker A: Oh, y. I forgot, you don't kill. That's right, your thing until they give you that. [00:01:43] Speaker B: And welcome, welcome, welcome to another edition of Guardian Radio today with Your host, Pastor Dr. Cleveland W EN III, also known as Kahun Ankusara. I'm happy to be here with you on another Tuesday. And it's hot, so make sure you drink your water, make sure you stay cool, stay hydrated. It is the 9th day of June. Wow. And I'll be with you until the 4 o' clock hour when the phone lines do open. The numbers are 323-623-2325-431632-54259. The Family of Violence, 2423-00-5720. The Guardian Radio Text Line is powered by BTC. That's 422-4797. You can also stay up with us by way of streaming live on Guardiantalkradio.com or Cable Bahamas channel 969 or BTC Flow channel 61 2. Join the Jeanne Dean Caring and Sharing Cancer Support Group for Hope Walk 2026 Saturday, June 13th at 6am at Goodman's Bay Park Walk in honor of a survivor, in memory of a loved one or simply to support those facing cancer today. Register now at GD Cancer Support Group. That's GD cancersupportgroup.com that's June 13th is the actual walk. So make sure you register and get involved today. Awakening the Genius education empire and the future of Bahamian men. Now, why, what are we talking about? Why is this so important? What, what's what. What prompted this show? I was listening, as I'm sure many of you were, to the news yesterday, and I saw or heard, I saw and heard a clip that was very troubling to me and as I'm sure it's troubling to many other people. I'm sure other people may have spoken on it today. I wanted to address it, But I want. Mr. Producer, if you have that clip ready for me, I want to play that clip and then I want to dive into this reality of awakening the genius education empire and the future of Bahamian men. Let's hear the clip, please. [00:04:11] Speaker A: We have a serious, serious problem in the Bahamas city. [00:04:15] Speaker B: The uniform branches cannot find qualified males to join the ranks. [00:04:22] Speaker A: The police, defense forces, customs, immigration. It is now, it is now apparent that only females now are probably, you [00:04:33] Speaker B: know, are meeting the necessary requirements. [00:04:37] Speaker A: And so it goes back to, to schooling and training. I would applaud the parents of these young to ensure that your children get the proper education while they're in school. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Let me say I agree wholeheartedly with the final conclusive comment being made there. You know, excuses for Bahamian men. That's not what this show is about. But it's very important that when we have these type of discussions that we contextualize the discussions. So a kind of sub question or a subtopic. Is our young men unqualified or is the education system underserving them? Again, not given excuses. You should study, you should do your schoolwork. But there's a reason why this is happening. And to just simply say go to school and not pay attention to what else is happening borders on, on irresponsibility. So I want you to close your eyes for just a moment. Not if you're driving, but if you could close your eyes, right? Picture a young man, maybe. Maybe he's your son, maybe he's your nephew, maybe he's your student. The boy who used to sit next to you in church. Any young man that you could remember and ask yourself this question, is he qualified for the job market? Not just does he have a piece of paper, Is he truly ready to build a life, support a family, contribute to this nation? I want to pause for a second to just congratulate my son, Adisa. These are graduated yesterday. Bahamas Homeschool Association. I'm grateful for, you know, you being in existence as I'm one of those parents and my wife and I, we Homeschool. But Lisa graduated and he also. He and my godson and others. But my godson, Nefa. Nefa, right. They graduated from the gentleman's club on the weekend. So I want to congratulate them. So in the midst of us having this conversation, I'm one of the people, I agree with what was said in that, in that clip we got our parents got to be on top of their, on top of the boys. But I understand there's a, is a greater conversation underneath it. I also want to give a big shout out to all of the residents over there at the correctionals corrections facility over in Fox Hill. I did promise that I would shout you all out and I'm living up to my promise. I pray that you all are making the best of your situation and I'll see you all again soon. And congratulations to all of the graduates I've been seeing different graduation prize given. Congratulations again. This show is not about making excuses for the block, especially the black men. But we got to contextualize it so you could have a piece of paper that doesn't necessarily mean that you're qualified for the job market. And many of these young men unfortunately aren't even getting that piece of paper. If you're like most beamings the answer to the question of whether or not they are qualified, it troubles you because too many of our young men are being left behind. And we've been taught to blame them. Their effort, their intelligence, their attitude. But today I am going to ask you to consider a different possibility or another possibility. What if the problem isn't our young men? What if the problem is the education system itself? A system that was never designed for their success in the first place. So today we're going to talk about colonial education, Caribbean under development and what it will truly take to awaken the national genius of our children. And I want you to stay with me for a second because when you don't, when you ignore this conversation, the behavior that we see being displayed in the House of Parliament trick. It trickles. Parliament. I ain't getting into that right now. But some of the behavior that you see comes right from what we talking about right now. So let's start with the facts. Across the Bahamas, too many young men are leaving school without the qualifications they need to enter the job market. Or worse, leaving with no qualifications at all. The glat, the bjc, the bgcsc. These exams become walls. And here's what we're told. They're lazy, they don't study, they don't care. But I want to introduce you again, as I've done before, to a different voice. His name is Dr. Amos Wilson. Look him up. Dr. Amos Wilson. The late, great Dr. Amos Wilson. He was a psychologist, a professor, and the author of a book called Awakening the Natural Genius of Black children. And Dr. Wilson says something very radical in his read. He says that the major function of education is not job preparation. The major function of education is not job preparation. It's not moving up the social ladder. The major function of education is, and I quote, to help secure the survival of a people. To help secure the survival of a people. Think about that for a moment. If I have to ask, who is surviving under our current system? Who is thriving? Who is being Left to fail? Dr. Wilson argues that black children are born with remarkable potential. Pay attention to this now. He cites research showing that African infants sit up, crawl, walk, and solve problems months earlier than their European counterparts. He says, and I quote again, the black child is not a white child painted black. The black child is not a white child painted black. But here's the tragedy, the natural head start, that genius is too often extinguished by the time our children reach third grade. Because we treat the black child as if it's a white child painted black. We give them the same education system that was designed for the white child, the European child, because the education system is not designed for them. It's designed for someone else. [00:11:41] Speaker A: Now, [00:11:43] Speaker B: the history how Britain Underdeveloped the Caribbean. So this is more than just about schools. This is more than just about the Ministry of. This is more than just about the Minister. This is more than just about the teachers. This goes a little deeper than that. All right? So I want to introduce you to someone else. To understand why our education system looks the way it does, we got to go way back. We turn to another scholar by the name of Sir Hilary Beckles. He's a Barbadian historian and he wrote a book called How Britain Underdeveloped the A Reparation Response to Europe's Legacy of Plunder and Poverty. Beccles makes a powerful argument. He says that the Caribbean economy was, and I quote, invented, structured and managed by European states for one purpose. To achieve maximum wealth extraction. Maximum wealth extraction. That means the system was never designed to develop our people. It was designed to take from our people our labor, our resources, our land, our dignity. And here's where it connects to education. Beccles documents how in the 1950s, West Indian leaders, including the Nobel Prize winning economist, Sir Arthur Lewis Pounds to develop the region. This was to Build the West Indies Federation, a united Caribbean nation that would stand on its own feet. Look that up. The West Indies Federation. But what did Britain do? They refused. Not only did they refuse, they actively encouraged the richer colonies, Jamaica and Trinidad, to break away from the poor ones. They told that. They told them, quote unquote, go it alone. Go it alone. And when the Federation collapsed, Britain shrugged and blamed Caribbean disunity. Beccles calls this federation without funding and he sees it as part of a long pattern. Britain suppressed Marcus Garvey's movement for Black unity. It sent warships to crush labor uprisings in the 1930s. It gave development money to to its Asian colonies through the Colombo Plan, while starving the Caribbean. So in one instance they found the money for certain colonies, some Asian colonies. And in our instance, no, we didn't get it. So the message was clear. The Caribbean must remain dependent. The Caribbean must remain weak. Now fast forward to today. What kind of education system would you expect to find in a place that was deliberately under developed, that produces workers, not leaders. A system that rewards obedience, not critical thinking. A system that teaches British history, British literature, British values, while barely mentioning the heroes and our own people. Now we have made some strides under the great Glenisana Martin and producing a history text that again, it's a start. It's a start. But again you don't start learning history at that level until grade 10 when most of the damage has been done. And that's not her fault. She did the best she could do and we have to do more. So let's look at the mechanisms that got the bjc, the bgcsc, because a couple of weeks now we can be talking about what the grade average is. Let's get specific, let's talk about the exams. The glat, the Grade Level Assessment Test is actually a Bahamian made test. I remember when I was younger, I think it was probably coming from the us but now it's a Bahamian made test. It was developed here, administered here, marked here on its own. It's not a tool of foreign control. The GLAT is used as a diagnostic. It identifies our children's quote, unquote weaknesses, it tracks them and by the time they reached grade nine they are funneled toward the bjc, the Bahamas Junior Certificate and the BJC is commissioned by Cambridge University, the United Kingdom. Here they come again. And the bgcsc, the big exam, the one that determines university admission and professional qualifications. Well it doesn't really, but it's supposed to, right? This is also commissioned by Cambridge, so I hope you see what's happening. Our children are being judged for their entire future by a foreign standard. A standard developed in a country that deliberately underdeveloped our region. A standard that measures success by how well a Bahamian child can think like a British child. So when you see our young boys, especially not finishing the course, not running the curriculum, something has happened. They check out way before they physically leave. They mentally check out. Dr. Amos Wilson. Psychological warfare. These young men are running from psychological warfare. Does that mean that they shouldn't read? See, these things like reading comprehension and math, they can learn that at home. You supposed to be doing that with them at home. Make them read the newspaper out loud. Make them read a book to you loud. Go through the math with them. The problem is, unfortunately, plenty of us as parents don't know the math. But this is now why you have YouTube. You have AI to assist, right? Dr. Amos writes, Every discipline in every institution in this society is a part of its imperialism. Each is a part of the means by which the European American intends to maintain dominance over the rest of the world. Now, some of you might be thinking, but the exams are objective. They're fair, they're based on merit. Are they? If the exam asks about British history, but never asks about the Haitian revolution, the first successful slave revolt in the world, is it objective? Now, some of you are so xenophobic. Y' all didn't even hear what I said. All I heard was Haitian. Not even understanding that the importance of such a topic would begin to help us to identify a little bit more with ourselves. More than learning about Britain. If the exam teaches more so than it teaches the poetry of Bahamian writers, is that fair? And I know that they do have some Bahamian poetry, but in large part, if you're studying literature, you're not necessarily studying the ethos of bohemian literature. If the exam rewards students who can memorize British monarchs but cannot solve a single problem facing their own community, is that merit? If we learning about the pirates and Bonnie Edward teach, we have a whole museum dedicated to them. Where's the Bahamian Heroes Museum? Just a thought. Dr. Wilson says our goal should not be equality with European education. Listen to this carefully. He says their best is not good enough. He says, and I quote, has got to do better than the white child. Not as good, but better. But how can our children do better when they are measured by someone else's ruler? My last point for setting the table before I open the phone lines, the consequences then. This is. This is the most painful part of the story what happens to the Bahamian children who do succeed? The ones that are being congratulated around this time of year, the ones who master the British aligned curriculum with flying colors and wind scholarships to universities abroad. Too many of them never come back. Let me give you the numbers. According to a 2014 report from the Inter American Development bank, approximately 61% of tertiary educated Bahamians live abroad. Professors at the University of the Bahamas have estimated that 70% of their graduates leave and do not return. 70%. That means for every 10 bright, ambitious, well educated young bohemians we send out into the world, only three come home. Why don't they return? The number one reason is economic. They go to the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, and they earn salaries that are two or three times what they could make here. One Bahamian professional told a reporter that she earns triple the salary in the US for the exact same job she would do here. But there's a deeper problem. Many of our students pursue specialized degrees. Biomedical engineering, scientific research, aeronautics. Fields that have almost no job market in the Bahamas. Our economy is still heavily dependent on tourism and finance. It hasn't diversified. It hasn't diversified in large part because Britain starved our development for generations. So our education system produces skills that our economy does not need and our brightest citizens take those skills elsewhere. So imagine being in a conundrum where when you do, ain't no job for you. And when of course you don't do well, well, you're unqualified. That is exactly what Beckles calls education and export. It is the final stage of the colonial empire, or cycle, rather. Extract the wealth, extract the labor, and now extract the minds. That's what's happening in this country. The minds are being extracted. So what's the solution? How do we awaken this natural genius? Where do we go from here? Are we trapped in this cycle forever? I mean, if we don't wake up. Yes. Is there any hope for our young men or our young women, our nation? The Dr. Amos Wilson says yes, there is hope, but only if we are willing to change everything. Only if we are willing to change everything. So what are those things that we must change? What is everything that must change? We come back after this break, we're gonna touch on that. Then we can open the phone lines, go to the text lines. But we want to understand the genius of our children, of our young black men that are unqualified, that that can't make the ranks of the armed forces. What's going on back after this? Black people protesting across the nation Emancipation Proclamation. More time is what we face. It's been 100 years. No reparation, no fault of acres. No one nation in my situation is secure with occupation. So strategize Hope still lives in community. Join the Jenny Dean Caring and Sharing Cancer Support group for the Hope Walk 2026 on Saturday, June 13th at 6am at Goodmans Bay. Walk alongside survivors, patients, caregivers and families as we come together in support. Enjoy fellowship, vendors, activities and our Inspiring Hope concert. Immediately following the walk, register at gd cancersupportgroup.com [00:23:37] Speaker A: Guess who's back? [00:23:38] Speaker B: It's the time again for the 31st Annual Michael Scootery piece On the Streets Basketball Classic Classic. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Bring it on now. Let's go. [00:23:47] Speaker B: Whether you a player or a fan, you don't want to miss this one. The action starts starts July 13th at the Hope Center. Log on to Peaceonthestreets.com and register. [00:23:58] Speaker A: Come on everybody, we're going. [00:24:00] Speaker B: That's the Peace on the Streets Basketball Classic where we shoot hoops instead of guns. [00:24:06] Speaker A: Wendy's and Coca Cola are giving you [00:24:09] Speaker B: the chance to experience the Essence Festival of Culture in New Orleans July 3rd through 5th. Upgrade any premium lunch combo to a [00:24:17] Speaker A: large with the CO product for your grand prize. [00:24:19] Speaker B: A VIP trip for two to Essence Fest. Grab a Dave Single, Asiago Ranch Chicken Club or three piece Tenders combo today. Eat big, sip Coke. Win big with Wendy's and Coca Cola. Rules and restrictions apply. It touches far too many families, but HOPE still lives in community. Join the Jenny Dean Caring and Sharing Cancer Support group for the hope that Walk 2026 on Saturday, June 13th at 6:00am at Goodmans Bay. Walk alongside survivors, patients, caregivers and families as we come together in strength, healing and support. Enjoy community, fellowship, vendors, activities and our Inspiring Hope concert immediately following the walk. Register today at gdcancersupportgroup.com let's take every step forward together for Hope. [00:25:19] Speaker A: Love the show. Want to give your support? Become a sponsor today. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Call 302-2300 for our rates and packages. [00:25:27] Speaker A: That's 302-2300. Become a sponsor on Guardian Radio 96.9 FM. Fresh news, smart Talk all day. [00:25:37] Speaker B: This is Guardian Radio 96.9 FM. Fresh news, smart Talk all day. I'm reback here on Guardian Radio today with your host Kahun Ankusara. How do we tap into the genius of our children, especially our boys? You know they're being left behind. We're having a conversation today about just that and we're just kind of setting the table. And touching on the education system, we talked about how Europe is definitely underdeveloped. Not only Africa, but the Caribbean. And many of the ills that we are facing today is as a result of that. Now we're saying that to make an excuse. No, definitely not. In fact, as I'm citing the work of Dr. Amos Wilson and Sir Hilary Beckles, we need to change everything if we don't want to keep going into this cycle. So he said the first thing we must do is reclaim educational sovereignty. That means cutting the link to Cambridge. We so proud that we linked to Cambridge. But Cambridge can help us. It's not helping us. Developing our own national exams, our own curriculum, our own standards. Standards that measure what it means to be an educated Bahamian, not an imitation Englishman. You want to know why the children ain't coming to school, ain't interested in what is being taught? Because they ain't learning about themselves. Secondly, we must Africanize the curriculum. And by Africanize I don't mean excluding others. I mean centering our own experience. Teaching Bahamian history in every grade. Celebrating the Bahamian and the Caribbean heroes from Paul Bogle to Linden Penland. Using Bahamian literature, Bahamian art, Bahamian music as the foundation of learning. Not that we don't use it now, but is, is it the foundation at the end of the day, the sharing and the, the parents rather ask what you teach in my child? Is that on the exam? I tell you what, I first hand was an educator. You trying to teach them something that can help their soul. And they worrying about if it on the exam or not. And if it ain't on the exam, they tell the cursing us. Third, we must set, we must create multiple pathways to success. Now we see this already happening. Not every child is meant to go to university, but every child is genius or has genius in them. We need technical schools. We see that being built now, right? Arts academies. We see that being built now. Entrepreneurial training, rigorous programs that certify genuine competence in fields that matter to our economy. That part that matter to our economy. Fourth, we must invest in early childhood education. This part is important starting at birth. Dr. Wilson cites research showing that intensive home based programs can raise a child's IQ by 17 points or more. He describes programs in places where at risk children who received early intervention had an average IQ of 121. Comparing for those who did not. Finally, we must build holistic self concept in our children. So this, this, this Africanizing of the curriculum. Got to start in preschool. You got to see yourself in preschool 10. Our children are born with the best brains in the world, Dr. Dr. Wilson is saying. And they can deal with any kind of problem that we put to them. Any kind of problem. We did it in Egypt. We don't need any proof of our capability of doing it. So are we going to continue in this cycle, or are we going to continue pointing at the young boys and just blaming them? Or we gonna fix the system because the system ain't serving us? 3, 2, 3, 6. 2, 3, 2, 3. 2, 5, 4, 3, 1 6. 3 2, 5, 4, 25 9. The family of violence. 242-300-5720. The text line is 422-4796. Calling you live. [00:30:04] Speaker A: Hello. Good afternoon. [00:30:06] Speaker B: Good afternoon. Thanks for calling. [00:30:08] Speaker A: How are you? [00:30:09] Speaker B: I'm well. I'm well. How are you? [00:30:11] Speaker A: Okay, I'll be good. Good. What's gonna. You speaking about the young boys in this country now and. Anyway, let's get to the point, right? I know that you talk about. You've brought on person who speak about renumeration money back in Africa and all of that, right? Hello? [00:30:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm listening. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Okay. Now do you realize. And. And they need to be stuck about our own people. Ain't no white man going in Africa and take out no black people from there. [00:30:54] Speaker B: No. [00:30:54] Speaker A: Really? So you know that? [00:30:55] Speaker B: No, I don't know that. [00:30:57] Speaker A: On black. [00:31:01] Speaker B: So let me. Hold on, hold on. Slow down. Slow down. Where did you learn that, [00:31:08] Speaker A: baby? I. I was a librarian in this country. [00:31:10] Speaker B: I asked you one simple question. I asked you one. You learned it in the library? That's what you're saying. [00:31:15] Speaker A: I learned? You learned that. [00:31:17] Speaker B: You learned that in the school system. You learned that in the school system? [00:31:20] Speaker A: Because you. You. [00:31:21] Speaker B: You proven my point. You proven my point. [00:31:27] Speaker A: What point? [00:31:27] Speaker B: That you weren't properly taught. [00:31:30] Speaker A: Okay, that's good. Thank you. Yeah, [00:31:34] Speaker B: I'm listening. [00:31:36] Speaker A: Okay. Haley Salassi was not a raster, man. But I ain't getting there. And I know I'm talking about Haley's [00:31:42] Speaker B: last year, so I need you to focus. I'm not talking about Hayley Selassie today. I'm talking about the poor education system that you unfortunately, and I, unfortunately are, have had to go through, whereby we have received misinformation and we've internalized it. And so you feel that because someone told you something and you didn't go investigate it, that it must be the truth. And that's the problem. You feel as if because someone told you something that you did not obviously investigate. [00:32:13] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. [00:32:15] Speaker B: That it must Be true. So you internalized it. And now when we have a problem in this country where our young men are unqualified and because they're not learning about who they are, you're gonna turn around and blame them. You're gonna turn around and say black people are the problem they went into. Which makes this a nonsensical point you're making. Why would black people decide to just all over the world to work for other people? That makes no sense. [00:32:41] Speaker A: No. [00:32:42] Speaker B: Yeah, and the history doesn't show us that. [00:32:44] Speaker A: Hello? So I'm not allowed to talk. [00:32:47] Speaker B: You're not allowed to spew nonsense. So please just. Just think about what you're saying. [00:32:51] Speaker A: Anything. Aren't you on the air and you're talking, right? Listen, can we have a nice dialogue? [00:32:58] Speaker B: If, if you can spew nonsense, I can shut you down. So please just. Just make your point. Just make. I have other callers. [00:33:05] Speaker A: Hello? [00:33:06] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Okay, now you come and you speak and you bring people on and they speak. Right? So that's not spewing anything, right, Mom? [00:33:16] Speaker B: Make your point, Bliss. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Okay. Now, I only want to say in regard to history, and I tell you, I know about our history. Black ain't no white man ever went in West Africa where West slavery started. No white man was ever allowed in the jungle. [00:33:36] Speaker B: I realized. So, first of all, let me. Let me stop you, because I think you just need some help. This the jungle. What jungle you talking about? In West Africa. [00:33:44] Speaker A: I'm speaking about West Africa. [00:33:47] Speaker B: What jungle you talking about? See, someone. Someone told you about a jungle and the black man in the jungle. And that's again, this, this, this is unfortunately what they have done to us. So I ain't gonna beat you up. I ain't gonna beat you up. Because all of us have had to suffer these. All right? Appreciate the fact, mom, that we've been lied to. Right. And the fact that there's very much historical documentation to prove that what you're saying just isn't true. I'm not going to make my show about that today. But the fact of the matter is that if you go back to what's called the Berlin Conference, and you can go even back before that. Are you familiar with the Berlin Conference? [00:34:29] Speaker A: I do. [00:34:30] Speaker B: What was the Berlin conference? What was it? What do you remember? [00:34:35] Speaker A: You mean Germany? [00:34:36] Speaker B: Yeah, Germany. Like what, There was a conference. What happened? What happened? What happened at that conference? [00:34:41] Speaker A: You say I mustn't go and be attracted on any other topic, right? [00:34:46] Speaker B: No, no. I'm just trying because I. Because I need you to appreciate that what you're saying doesn't make sense. [00:34:54] Speaker A: I appreciate everything, sir. Right. [00:34:57] Speaker B: All right, well, I appreciate you calling Mom. Thank you so much. Let's go to the next call. I, I could work with you. I could try work with you, but you know, just, you gotta work with me too, man. You know what I mean? So I won't beat no one up today, but clearly we need, we got work to do. Let's go to the next caller. Call you live. [00:35:14] Speaker A: Hi, good afternoon, how are you? [00:35:16] Speaker B: I'm doing well. [00:35:17] Speaker A: No problem. I'm a first time caller to your show, man. [00:35:20] Speaker B: Thank you for calling, man. Appreciate that. [00:35:23] Speaker A: I love the topic. My name is Dr. Patra Forbes and I'm a psychiatrist. [00:35:28] Speaker B: Excellent. Man, we need you. I should hide you in the studio. [00:35:32] Speaker A: You, I will leave. [00:35:34] Speaker B: You leave the contact because I would love to have, have that conversation. But go ahead. What you got for us today? [00:35:42] Speaker A: Excellent, excellent, excellent topic. I am very passionate about it and I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment. I feel. Well, what I feel. Research has shown from Harvard University by Dr. Howard Gardner that there are eight different types of intelligence. [00:36:08] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:36:09] Speaker A: Eight. And in our culture in the Bahamas, we focus on two types, the linguistic and the mathematical intelligence. Right. And I feel that we can have a lot of young men, specifically who are geniuses, who are meant to feel stupid. Not good enough. Because in our curriculum we don't acknowledge and we don't test for all eight types of intelligence. And just to go through it quickly for your viewers. [00:36:46] Speaker B: Sure, please. [00:36:47] Speaker A: We have our linguistic intelligent, so their strengths are vocabulary, reading, writing versus so these persons go on to become public speakers, journalists, lawyers, teachers. We have our mathematical intelligence, so they're strong with problem solving, scientific reading, reasoning. And they become our software engineers, our statisticians, researchers. Those are the two that we do in this culture. [00:37:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:37:21] Speaker A: But we have visual spatial intelligence as well. And we can have a young man in school who is a genius. [00:37:29] Speaker B: Yes. [00:37:29] Speaker A: In this. And they can gps. They go to the US for the first time to state for the first time. And they don't even need the GPS after driving around one time. [00:37:42] Speaker B: Yes. [00:37:42] Speaker A: They remember it from one exposure. Wow. These people can become pilots, urban planners or architects. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Wow. [00:37:52] Speaker A: We have bodily kinesthetic intelligence. So they're body smart. They're good with their craftsman. So these are our professional athletes, our dancers, our actors, our trade person. We have musical intelligence as well. And we have such a rich musical culture within junk canoe, rake and scrape. And we don't fully expose our young people to it as we should there's also interpersonal intelligence. So some people. Are people smart? [00:38:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:38:26] Speaker A: They pick up on empathy, social cues. They're great at team leadership. So these persons can be good at being a therapist, human resources managers, things of that nature. You have intrapersonal intelligence. So they're so smart, they're aware of their themselves. They are good at introspection. These persons are the philosophers. And finally, we have naturalistic intelligence. So some people are nature smart. They understand nature, living things and our ecological awareness. So these individuals become our geologists, our biologists, our environmental scientists. So this topic is so timely. [00:39:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:15] Speaker A: And my thing is we make our young men because it starts my passion. We need to capture our young men. We make them feel like they're not intelligent. There are two types of intelligence in our curriculum. We're missing six other types of. And also, like I said, I'm a psychiatrist. I feel like when kids enter primary school, it's mandatory for them to have a physical examination to enter the school. But what about a mental health evaluation? Wow. We don't touch on in our curriculum anger management, conflict resolution. We have so much murders and violence. [00:39:59] Speaker B: Yes. [00:40:00] Speaker A: If children learn this from a primary school level, it could become second nature to them. We learning about Columbus and the Arawak. But what about financial literacy? [00:40:14] Speaker B: Wow. [00:40:16] Speaker A: So I think on educational level, I applaud Glena Tyna Martin for introducing. [00:40:23] Speaker B: She did excellent job. [00:40:25] Speaker A: I love that. But Chester Cooper, now can. [00:40:29] Speaker B: He got it. He got a baton. Yes, yes, yes. [00:40:32] Speaker A: Advocate for emotional intelligence, anger management, financial literacy, and introduce different types of intelligence into our curriculum. And we could recognize more geniuses like you're talking about. There are more geniuses outside of math. Six other types of geniuses that our curriculum does not capture. And we make our young people feel stupid and less blaring. And they can be geniuses in their own right if we only test for it. Yes, I know I said a lot, but thank you for your time. [00:41:09] Speaker B: Definitely helped us today. Thank you so very much. Leave your number with the producer and I'll be in touch with you, please. [00:41:15] Speaker A: Excellent topic. I love it. [00:41:17] Speaker B: Thank you so very much for calling. 3236-2323-3236-2323, 254-31-635-4259. The family violence. 2423-00-5720. Caller, you live caller. Going once. Hello, can you hear me? Caller? All right, let's go to the next call. I guess they, they got distracted. Call back now. Calling you live. [00:41:45] Speaker A: Yes, my brother, how are you? [00:41:47] Speaker B: I'm well, man, thanks for calling. [00:41:48] Speaker A: Yes, it's been a while since I called your show. [00:41:51] Speaker B: I know, man. I thought you. I thought you. I thought you leave me. Thought you dis me, man. You know, I just played. [00:41:57] Speaker A: I learned so much from you and I. I have no problem to be educated on anything that I need to or help from that lady a moment ago, she was very much awesome. [00:42:11] Speaker B: Yes, she was. Yes, she was. [00:42:13] Speaker A: You are a biblical man. [00:42:15] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:42:16] Speaker A: And I already test you a few times. But, you know, you had many shows on the same particular topic and you didn't even know. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I know, but I. What happened is I add a little bit more because I can't put everything in one show. So I kind of got to retouch some things. So that's what's going on right now. [00:42:35] Speaker A: But I. I want to salute my good brother, Commissioner Dawn Claire. Some people want to take it personal, some folk may be offended, but it is the truth. As to the premise he spoke about. [00:42:55] Speaker B: No, he was. That's the gentleman who made the comment about the young man, right? [00:43:00] Speaker A: Yes. [00:43:00] Speaker B: No, he. He's absolutely right. He's absolutely correct. I mean. [00:43:04] Speaker A: Yes, he's correct. [00:43:05] Speaker B: You know, I just want to investigate why that's a true statement. You know what I'm saying? [00:43:10] Speaker A: Well, it is a true statement. It is true. [00:43:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:12] Speaker A: But from a biblical point of view. Now, this is where I have to go until we understand the conspiracy as to why our boys are being left behind. This is so deep spiritually and I know that you are qualified to see where I am going. Number one, the first institution what God made was it the family. [00:43:46] Speaker B: Be fruitful and multiply the family. Yes, sir. [00:43:49] Speaker A: So what we have now today, we [00:43:52] Speaker B: got a lot of bro. [00:43:53] Speaker A: 70 of children. What? Out of what? [00:43:56] Speaker B: Out of wedlock. A lot of. Lot of divorce. [00:44:00] Speaker A: You would agree with that. That. [00:44:01] Speaker B: That lock broken? Clearly, because that's. Get bus open quick. [00:44:04] Speaker A: Okay. You, you, you, you. You following me? [00:44:07] Speaker B: Yeah, with you. [00:44:08] Speaker A: You remember mentorship? [00:44:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, community first, because out of your community come your mentors. [00:44:16] Speaker A: Do you remember there was a balance with male teachers in the school? [00:44:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. But they don't. They can't pay us no more. That's the problem. [00:44:27] Speaker A: You're following the conspiracy. [00:44:28] Speaker B: I see. So mine can't take care of family or no teacher salary. I've tried. [00:44:33] Speaker A: I want to salute. I want to salute Minister Glennis. Hannah Martin. I want to salute also. [00:44:39] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [00:44:39] Speaker A: And I do believe my homeboy. I'm not biased. I'm going to be a little Biased. My homeboy, the deputy prime minister Chester Cooper, I believe he's going to do well because I think so too. The value of mentorship. [00:44:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:52] Speaker A: Because that was something we still hold on to in the settlement or at the island of Exuma. [00:44:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:59] Speaker A: Mentorship for more than 40 years is so much locked in this country with boys. [00:45:10] Speaker B: I agree. [00:45:11] Speaker A: And I have grand boys. I never had a boy. And sometimes I have to say to my daughter, let me handle this or to my son in law. It's just, it's just your sometimes your approach in terms of mentorship. [00:45:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:32] Speaker A: So when you have boys being bullied in school. [00:45:36] Speaker B: Yep. [00:45:37] Speaker A: Bully at home. Yep. Bully at the white place. Before he get in any trouble, what he do? Shut down. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:48] Speaker A: And he grieved inside. Because let me just say in a short, I don't want to take over your show. I just want to make one simple statement. Remember this. Every place or everything that Jesus Christ touched, his presence was felt. And that is how a boy feel in the presence of his father. Would you agree? [00:46:15] Speaker B: I agree. [00:46:17] Speaker A: Still have influence on me after departing for more than 30 years. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Wow. He did his job. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Memories still sing in my head. [00:46:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Let me get this last call. And I appreciate that, man. I do appreciate your sentiment and I definitely feel what you're talking about. Thank you so much. Let's get this last call in before water break call you live. How you doing, man? [00:46:40] Speaker A: Uncle. [00:46:41] Speaker B: Hey, how you doing, man? [00:46:42] Speaker A: I'm doing well, man. This is a good show you up today. [00:46:47] Speaker B: Thank you, man. [00:46:48] Speaker A: Right. You know, I, I just called it. I, I enjoyed that lady when she's on a few minutes ago. Yeah, yeah, she's. She was, she was performing. [00:46:59] Speaker B: We're gonna get her back on the show. [00:47:00] Speaker A: Yeah, she, she's good. You know, I go on the same. You know, I have, I'm known of a situation. One of my neighbors, she. I mean, she talked to her son and she don't know, look, she always kissing him on him, right? [00:47:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:23] Speaker A: And I said, you know, you can't, you can't bring up a boy. If you click on it, what's gonna happen is that boy, he's gonna rebel. He's gonna rebel. [00:47:40] Speaker B: And when he rebel, the father's not around. [00:47:43] Speaker A: Yeah, father's not around. [00:47:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:45] Speaker B: So she need help too. [00:47:47] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean that creates my spirit. Every time she beat him in [00:47:55] Speaker B: see a man, she's at the end of her rope, see. [00:47:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:58] Speaker B: You need to hear, you need to hear a man voice say stop that. [00:48:02] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. [00:48:03] Speaker B: You understand what I'm saying you need to feel a man. Heavy hand, just hold on your shoulder tight and just get a little squeeze and say, look. Yeah, calm yourself down. You need that. [00:48:11] Speaker A: And see uncle, what happened? She. She have a guy live with her, but the guy doesn't like the boy. [00:48:22] Speaker B: Oh, boy, that's. That's unfortunate. [00:48:25] Speaker A: That's very unfortunate, unfortunately. [00:48:27] Speaker B: I pray. I pray she can figure out, you know, how to get him around people who can mentor him. [00:48:31] Speaker A: Yeah, he needs someone to mentor. [00:48:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:34] Speaker A: To be mentor and, you know. [00:48:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:38] Speaker A: And I. I don't like that, man. [00:48:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it's unfortunate. And I pray for her, too, you know, because she's also, you know, she's dealing with a lot. You know, she's dealing with a lot. So it's not her fault, per se, but. But it's just unfortunate that. That the father couldn't be there or wasn't be there, whatever the case. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate the call, my brother. We got but two more minutes. Try one more call. Call you live. Call it going once. All right, let's go to the next call. I call you live. Come on. I only got about a minute left, so I don't know if you want to hold and catch me. [00:49:18] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:49:20] Speaker B: yeah, let's do that. Let's do that, Cleaver, because I don't. I know you. I know you want to share, and I don't want. I don't want. I don't want, you know, cut you short. So. So just hold on and we'll get you on the next side of the break when we come back. Dr. Amos Wilson made a comment that. That I am definitely wanting to. Wanting to investigate. He said that education makes us dumber. Education makes us dumber. And of course, he's talking about this Eurocentric, imperialistic education that doesn't serve us. I want to explain what that means. I also want to talk about what the. What, what the lady, the first caller, the comment that she made because unfortunately, she. She's been miseducated, like all of us, to think that, you know, black people did. Did this to ourselves. And so I want to touch on that, too, when we come back. And of course, we're going to hear from our callers and our texters. Keep it locked here on Guardian Radio today. My name is Kahunan Kusara, also known as Dr. Cleveland W Eneus III. Back after this and everything I think about before my people, and every time I said it before my people, I [00:50:30] Speaker A: do it for the good it be for my people. I do it for the hood it be for my people now a revolution [00:50:38] Speaker B: if done right, most certainly won't be televised, snapchatted or tweeted. Any admission is essentially asking for permission. An easy way to know your eta. Cause just like we listened and he listened and it's poised and propagated, but no problem at all. Budgeting and saving, yes, investing check. But what if you could do more? [00:50:58] Speaker A: With an RF brokerage account, you can [00:51:00] Speaker B: get priority access to local investment opportunities right as they come to the market. [00:51:05] Speaker A: Never miss a bond or new share offering again. [00:51:07] Speaker B: Plus you can house all your investments in one place and benefit. [00:51:11] Speaker A: Contact [email protected] to start doing more today. Some conditions apply. RF Money at work always on the go. [00:51:20] Speaker B: Miss the show. You can now listen to Guardian Radio [00:51:23] Speaker A: talk shows anytime, anywhere on Spotify and [00:51:26] Speaker B: YouTube by searching Guardian Radio 96.9 FM [00:51:30] Speaker A: or by entering the name of your favorite show. [00:51:32] Speaker B: You can also listen by logging on to guardiantalkradio.com and clicking on the podcast tab. Guardian Radio continuing to provide you with fresh news and smart talk anywhere, anytime, all day. [00:51:48] Speaker A: Love the show. [00:51:49] Speaker B: Want to give your support? [00:51:50] Speaker A: Become a sponsor today. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Call 302-2300 for our rates and packages. [00:51:56] Speaker A: That's 302-2300. Become a sponsor on Guardian Radio 96.9 FM. Fresh news, smart talk all day. This is Guardian Radio, your station for [00:52:10] Speaker B: up to the minute news and intelligent, interactive and engaging conversations. 96.9 FM and it's poised and propagated but no problem is solved. You see the difference between a killing and a murder is the emotion involved. And yet there is harsh reality to reflect your claim. But when you're angry, it only affects your aim. So talking is like a tantrum and your gunfire is random. I'll write a revolution down or with my handgun. See? And we're back here on Guardian Radio today with Your host, Pastor Dr. Cleveland W. Minus III, also known as Kahunan Kusara. Awakening the Genius Education Empire and the future of Bahamian Men. Are are our young men just unqualified or is the education system on under serving them? Cleaver's been holding on for a second. Let me, let me, let, let him get in and I'll move on with the show. Go ahead, cle. [00:53:08] Speaker A: Hello. [00:53:09] Speaker B: Hey, my brother. [00:53:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, thanks for calling. [00:53:14] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:53:15] Speaker A: And hopefully we could bring some relief or some comment that can perhaps cost a paradigm shift. [00:53:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:25] Speaker A: Even though I don't think it's happened anytime soon. [00:53:27] Speaker B: Well, one step at a time. One step at a time. [00:53:29] Speaker A: You know, but I've been doing this now for 23 years and I haven't. Progressive, I could say that, you know. Yeah, I got you because I've done the research and I've done the studies and I've been denied on numerous occasions. So this method, even though it is timely, it is not accepted by the status quo, so to speak. You know, and you know, I listened to the commissioner of the prison. [00:54:00] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:54:02] Speaker A: And he's saying that men are not qualified, you know, our colonial masters, etc. Right. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:10] Speaker A: But the women are getting. Are going to the same school. The girls, that is the females, they're tending the same school. [00:54:17] Speaker B: We about to get into that next. Yeah, nice. I'll be about to get into that next, but go ahead. [00:54:23] Speaker A: Yeah, they're attending the same school schools and they're receiving the same education. But for whatever reason, our men always, I mean, you can say that, that the men, the males are lagging behind. Not all are lost, but we are still lagging behind in terms of getting the prerequisite or meeting these prerequisites. And no one is really pausing to see exactly what is going on and trying to correct this right now. I mean, we just had another three men who would have lost their lives through violence over the weekend. [00:55:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:01] Speaker A: Our males are being. We are becoming depleted, so to speak. [00:55:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:08] Speaker A: You know, when you look at the amount of homicide and there isn't anyone out there, I mean, no one can. I haven't heard any. A white bohemian killed another white bohemian in years. I haven't heard one. It's all what we experiencing is black men are killing black men. Yet we see the numbers. But we haven't had a conclave in years to address this issue. So it seems that the system is quite content with what is happening to our males. They're quite content because anything that offends them, they speak about it and they take steps to correct it. But I haven't seen, in 23 years, I haven't seen any positive steps being taken in any gigantic way to address this deficiency, these problems that is affecting our young men and children. You know, because you hear women now, they talk about model rape, children getting raped almost on a daily basis. You don't get any serious outcry for that. You hear women talking about women who are being raped, not children. [00:56:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:56:23] Speaker A: You know, and you know, but the way we construct our society and reconstruct this society based on women and children, all of our, most of our policies are geared towards women and children. I've been an advocate for years. And we finally got. We had a women's death, a women's bureau's death at the Department of Social Services for decades. For decades. Just in recent time, they changed it to Gender affairs, whatever that means. I don't know what Gender affairs means. I'm trying to wrap my head around it to see exactly what it means. Because the last time I checked, I mean the woke agenda they had like. But tell me something different following me. Hello. [00:57:19] Speaker B: Hey, go ahead. Yeah, we got you back. Go ahead. [00:57:21] Speaker A: Yeah, just say so. Now, how do we address this problem concerning our men? How we've got to take steps to remove gender from the equation and look at as human beings and females as human beings. Then you include gender. You kind of, you don't really address the problem that is facing, that is facing our men. I'm willing to become a consultant for the government for free, pro bono. Let me, let me know to address this issue. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Right, but let me, let me say this. [00:57:58] Speaker A: You know, pay. If I don't perform, then they don't pay me. Well, yeah, I'm willing to do that. And we got millions of dollars spent with us. You can let the Prime Minister know that I'm willing to do mine for free. Right. You know, and what's me if it doesn't, I can walk free. I have no problem with that. [00:58:13] Speaker B: See, as an educator, as an educator, Cleaver, someone who's, who's been in the classroom, who's, who's been administrator. There's a difference when you're dealing with boys and girls. In fact, I think we need to focus more on gender because if you had separation of boys. I remember Jeff Lloyd mentioned this when he was Minister of Education and people rejected it. Right. But if you separate the boys and the girls at an early age, more so and you integrate them later on in maybe 10 through 12 or integrate them during PE and stuff like that, you will see a difference in how boys and girls interact in a classroom. I mean we could do a show on it, but I think we don't pay enough attention to gender. I think we try to just use a broad brush and then we look at the boys like, well, what's wrong with you? When the system isn't designed especially for these young boys because you want, you want, you want a young boy to sit down for hours a day. Young boys don't sit down. Young boys just move around. These run run. We learn different from girls. [00:59:24] Speaker A: I mean in years gone by we've had, we've had no separation and we put out great results with GC O level. [00:59:36] Speaker B: But that's a misnomer because, because everybody wasn't allowed to take gc. That's why, that's why it looked like people was doing so well. Because they tell you you can't take it, but you could take it. So the person who was more capable was allowed to take it. That's why it looked like we were doing so well. He wasn't doing well. [00:59:52] Speaker A: Before we separate, before we separate, there are some, there are some mitigating factors that we don't look at. [00:59:59] Speaker B: I agree with you. [00:59:59] Speaker A: Many of us may have been suffering from adhd. [01:00:02] Speaker B: I agree with you. Because the white sugar and everything we eat, [01:00:07] Speaker A: the research and have these kids, the switch back people, they are. [01:00:14] Speaker B: No, no, I, I'm not saying to just separate without actually having a method to doing it. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that at all. [01:00:22] Speaker A: I'm just saying to you, who's in the position they may hear what you say. [01:00:26] Speaker B: I, I understand what you're saying. No, no, I, I understand what you're saying. There, there, there's, there's a methodology that can be applied. We have great educators in this country. Trust me. [01:00:35] Speaker A: Yeah. We have a young man and many, many kids go to the school system without being hesitant to these things. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:45] Speaker A: And many other efficiencies that could prevent them from learning. [01:00:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:49] Speaker A: Because then, then on top of that, we have the absentee father. [01:00:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:54] Speaker A: Which plays basically a humongous role. [01:00:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:58] Speaker A: And what we are saying then you have the issue of child abuse. [01:01:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:02] Speaker A: Their business are being abused. So all of these things needs to be looked at holistically. But yeah, I can tell you put people in there who understand this, what is really going on. Don't you better do the research and present this white paper to the government. You continue on talking. I mean, I heard this discussion, you know, [01:01:25] Speaker B: so clever. We just got to keep at it, man. And I here to help you, brother, because I beat you doing this. [01:01:30] Speaker A: You see what I'm saying now I'm getting old now and for 23 years and you. We haven't gotten anywhere. We haven't seen any, made any significant inroads, any significant inroad. I mean, we're going to be doing this thing forever. Well, we have to look and do studies to see exactly where we are. [01:01:49] Speaker B: Yeah. I appreciate it. Clever. [01:01:51] Speaker A: But no problem. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see what they. After you have this discussion tomorrow, we'll be back to normal. [01:01:58] Speaker B: Well, I won't be. But I understand what you mean by that. But I understand. Yeah. Thank you so much, Cleaver. You know, I gotta give a big shout out, not only to Cleaver, who's been doing this work for many years, but my big brother, Chris Justilian. You know, the Justilian brothers, they are a source, a resource in this country when it comes to mentorship, musical mentorship. The psychiatrist had called in, talked about musical intelligence. And we have some music, I would call them. They're not only musical mentors, but there are many young men that have turned their lives around under the tutelage of the Justilian brothers. And, you know, we need to make sure that people understand that there are resources out there. You know, Chris Justilian and his brother, they are resources in this country. Obviously, we know through sports, you know, that's another resource. The list goes on. Let me go to some texts and then I want to add some more to this conversation. This is a good topic today, now that I think about it. Why did I need to learn those subjects in school? And it would have been given me, wouldn't give me any actual work I could do after leaving school. Those things could have been learned at home. Amen. Let me go to another text here. It says, uncle, sorry, but I agree with your caller is 100% correct. We didn't come from no African jungle. There's no evidence of any slave ship that they describe in our history book. And we were lied to. I grew up thinking we came from Africa. Well, that's a whole other show. You, you, you do have been. You didn't get the full picture. Let me just say it that way. And then sometimes that's the form of miseducation, right? This distortion going back to that caller, the black on black slavery, right? You've heard this version of history that, that goes something like this. Africans sold other Africans to Europeans. So Africans are just as responsible for the transatlantic slave trade as Europeans. Now, this argument is often used to shame us as black people by suggesting ancestral complicity in slavery. It deflects responsibility from European nations that financed, organized and profited from the slave trade for over 400 years. Nations claim by arguing that Africans were willing participants. So they just had a resolution in the UN not too long ago, where we are agreeing, except for a couple other countries, that this is the most heinous crime against humanity and we ain't blaming Africans for it. Africans didn't get reparations for Africans when they were emancipated. Britain did okay, so this is why I'm saying we have, we have a fragmented understanding of what actually happened to us and it's not focused on the education system. And so therefore we end up with these notions in our psyche that unfortunately don't serve us well. Blessings, Dr. Eneas the third. Please connect your first caller with lovely 60 plus year old FM grandmother, retired librarian, up with Fox Hills Mama Africa, former FM Senator, the Honorable Dr. Jacinta Higgs. Yes, one of my mentors, the First lady caller was a good. Was. Has a good. Misguided. I believe so too. I believe the Honorable Dr. Jacinta Higgs can help to correctly guide that beautiful retired librarian in the right direction. As a matter of fact, it may be good use expertise of the retired librarian, maybe part time or something within the library of a Catherine School International. Catch my drift? I catch your drift. I catch your drift. We definitely could get in touch with Dr. Higgs. She, she would be well blessed. Let me take this call and then I want to add something else to the table that Dr. Amos Wilson talked about with regard to education. Education making us dumb. Calling you live. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Hey, Uncle. Good afternoon. How you doing? [01:06:30] Speaker B: Hey, my brother. I'm well, mine. [01:06:32] Speaker A: Who was in there with you, Uncle? [01:06:34] Speaker B: Just you. I, I got, I got, I got. Yeah, I don't have any. Yesterday. No, no, no. Yeah. [01:06:40] Speaker A: All right, cool then. Good afternoon to the nation. Listen, man, it's an excellent conversation, as you always are. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Thank you, man. [01:06:45] Speaker A: With all of your topics, you provide a good sound basis of education, edification, wisdom. [01:06:54] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:06:55] Speaker A: And you encourage the forward thinking. [01:06:56] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:06:57] Speaker A: Necessary. It's very strange when you have this kind of conversation on the backdrop that the. As a society, and as a society operating in a global society, the very people who took advantage of us. Yeah. Financially and every otherwise physically and every otherwise mentally, emotionally, every otherwise, we, we still, we are still having to survive. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:27] Speaker A: In their environment. Right. That they created. Because they created this environment. We didn't create it. [01:07:31] Speaker B: Nope. [01:07:32] Speaker A: But we help to survive in the environment, compete with them and compete against them. Right? [01:07:39] Speaker B: Yes. [01:07:39] Speaker A: Isn't that strange? Isn't that strange, Uncle? [01:07:42] Speaker B: It is. [01:07:43] Speaker A: I mean like you need, you need, you need, you need the help of Jesus [01:07:51] Speaker B: in order to thrive, you need a supernatural intervention. [01:07:55] Speaker A: Either that or in many instances, they still have to see you. Not directly as they used to when they had the, when they had the, the chokehold around our neck. [01:08:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:06] Speaker A: Right. But indirectly they almost have to see you as that, that house one who they could allow to bench out and, and, and Succeed. [01:08:16] Speaker B: Yep, yep. The one they get control. [01:08:18] Speaker A: Yeah, precisely. But it's still under their watchful eyes. It's still under their tight control. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Right, yeah. [01:08:23] Speaker A: I'm saying this to create this backdrop right here, right, right here in our country. And I have this conversation with many people up to recently, very recently, we, we, we are like a double edged sword that kills our own self. You know me, Uncle. Yeah, we, we as a people that cuts and kills our own self right before we even arrive. And to just give a brief of what I mean by that is we have a society where it was seen that the man ran out and worked and provided, et cetera, et cetera. Right now we are developing over the last, I guess 30 years or so, we are developing into a society where the woman goes out and does that. Right? Except, except at the very root, at the very foundation, the academic excellence is being geared and pushed very strategically more towards the women in this country. Strategically, deliberately. Right. And even, even using taxpayer dollars, it is being used to advantage a certain segment of our society. That's another problem. [01:09:36] Speaker B: You must, you must be reading my notes. I said that's exactly where I was going next. [01:09:40] Speaker A: But look here, uncle, one of the greatest problems, as I was laying on that foundation to point out, is we know where the challenges are in our society, Uncle. We can either, we can either take a hand off approach, a standoffish approach or and say, oh, these guys are failing us. These guys only want to commit crime. And that's a small segment of our society. But that small segment impacts a great segment of the country, right? And develop the multi level strategies and plans in order to impact those who we missed, right. Who are creating havoc or who are falling through the net and simultaneously putting those plans in place to capture those who we can still impact at the early stage, capture those who we can impact who are at the middle stage of going on this bad hill. You understand what I'm saying? [01:10:33] Speaker B: I understand, I understand. [01:10:34] Speaker A: We can do that as a society, as a sovereign country. We need, uncle, we need to have people in place in these leadership positions who are truly selfless, who are truly selfless in their approach. That is the common thread, uncle, that brought us through successfully to the platform and the foundation that we are on today. That was, that was present in a great deal of our forefathers and foremothers. They were selfless people. They were prepared to go out, capture, come back and spread the information, the knowledge, the empowerment, right? Spread the know how, et cetera, et cetera. And it wasn't about Their personal elevation. It was about seeing a society elevate so that we can in our country. [01:11:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:21] Speaker A: From then to now, to future. We need a shift, Uncle. Yeah, we need. We need. We honestly need a mental and emotional and economic. A political shift in our thinking, Uncle. And I believe that. And I'm ending on this already. I believe, and it has nothing to do with politics, I believe that we have a prime minister which a lot of what we described, who has lived through it, who has come up through it, and who's now a second consecutive repeat prime minister, uncle, who can help us to get there. I believe that if he has people in his way who is not doing what is necessary to help us get there as a nation, this time around, he has to chop off, or chop off, however you want to put it. Proverbial political heads, in order to keep [01:12:06] Speaker B: this moving, he's all we got right now. We. We want him. We want him to succeed. [01:12:10] Speaker A: To succeed. [01:12:11] Speaker B: Precisely. [01:12:12] Speaker A: Thank you very much, Uncle. [01:12:13] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:12:13] Speaker A: Hopefully that. Hopefully what you just said spreads through the minds of all the political in this country. [01:12:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:20] Speaker A: Because it's one government and they're here and they are here. And the prime minister will be prime minister for the next five years or in teams, minus the weeks that has already passed thus far. Thank you for the opportunity. Great conversation. God bless him. [01:12:32] Speaker B: Thank you so much. This Texas says, uncle, you are absolutely correct. Boys and girls learn differently. And this is a well known study. I only achieved greatness in school because my mom taught me to, quote, unquote, learn like a girl. Meaning sit down in one place. It worked for me, but will. But will likely fail for other boys. Exactly. So Dr. Amos Wilson talks about, because Cleaver Duncan marks me. He said, man, the girls and they learning, they in the same class. How come they doing but the boys ain't doing well? That's a very good question. Right. [01:13:03] Speaker A: Right. [01:13:03] Speaker B: Cation offers women a limited but real path to status and survival. Right. Under colonialism and its aftermath, which we live in now, formal education has been one of the few respected respectable avenues for women to achieve economic independence, social mobility and escape from domestic servitude. Dr. Amos Wilson argues that the colonial education system is designed to produce servants. Listen now is designed to produce servants, not leaders. You want to know why the black boys rejecting it for black men, being a servant, quote unquote, is emasculating. It directly conflicts with patriarchal expectations of male authority and provider status. For black women, however, being a servant, a teacher, a nurse, a clerk, a domestic worker has Historically been one of the only available roles that offered some dignity, income and social standing. As one analysis of Caribbean education notes, for black women in particular, the colonial school represented a fragile but tangible pathway out of poverty and into a respectable class. Respectable classes, teaching, nursing and the civil service men, by contrast, were more likely to experience the school as a. As a slight of humiliation and see if you can't sit down and be quiet and learn, then you can fail. The women are not accepting, quote, unquote the system because they believe in it. They are strategically navigating a system that offers them more than it offers men, even if what it offers is still inadequate. This doctor, Dr. Amos Wilson, right. The system pushes black men more harshly and more visibly. Amos Wilson writes extensively about how the colonial system criminalizes and destroys black men. These states, quote unquote quote rather, white racists must criminalize and destroy black men. The black man must not be permitted to live fully free. Therefore there are a series of steps that are set up to destroy him along the way. Any system that treats a 13 year old like any regular adult criminal has admitted that it has failed. And I was just asking but the 12 year old should, should they, should they treat him like an adult? That's the craziness that the system puts in our head. The school system is the first step in the pipeline. Black boys are disciplined more harshly, suspended, more frequently labeled as behavior problems earlier and channeled into special education or vocational tracks at higher rates than black girls are more likely to be retained in grade, excluded from school for disciplinary reasons, diagnosed with behavioral disorders, pushed out of the academic track and into a lower status program program. When the system consistently humiliates and rejects you, you do not accept it. That's why they ain't learning. You resist, you withdraw, you drop out. This is not failure of character. It is a rational response to a hostile environment. Ain't dumb. They're very much geniuses but they realize that this is psychological warfare. So they are pushing back. 323-623-2325-431632-54259 the family of violence 242-300-5720 call [01:16:23] Speaker A: you live yeah good afternoon Mr. Don. [01:16:25] Speaker B: Yes, 52. [01:16:27] Speaker A: Yeah, great topic. Of course you know I'm agreeing with anything what you're saying and also by the bible, by the bullet, by the ballot of the gun any which me freedom has come. Yes, I know a lot of powerful music too but that song that you. I wish you could send it to me that you initiated your show with [01:16:41] Speaker B: but yeah, I'll send it. [01:16:41] Speaker A: You know, there's nothing wrong with being a dropout just to let your mind coop out. I dropped a cob. But you know, I had a teacher name. I think she's very famous Tell centennial role. Right? [01:16:52] Speaker B: Yes, of course. [01:16:52] Speaker A: She introduced me to African poetry. Roger May, sbs, Nightball, et cetera, et cetera. So I read the poetry and I think it was about African. The poetry was about African history and did a lot of African depiction. Right? [01:17:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:04] Speaker A: And so to all the. I hate to call them imbeciles, but to all the people who bought into the concept or the narrative about selling one another into slaves like slavery. [01:17:12] Speaker B: Right. [01:17:13] Speaker A: They are very naive and shallow minded because I juxtapose how would they fill this inventory with all these people over here with such just captives of war they couldn't figure out that's a lie. Also, if they should have read some of the treaties that Ca Nui had a lady on the other day, I don't know you or Ca Nui. I think it's Ca Nui and she was talking about the treaties that the Papal Bulls signed. But you know the most infamous one for me was the Treaty of Torresilas. [01:17:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:39] Speaker A: So even the Portuguese, which has been Gillianis, the first Africans they encountered, they enslaved them and they carried them back to Portugal and showed up to the Queen. They are ill gotten kings, etc. Etc. Most of us are very nice as it relates to words. You kind of enlighten me a little higher on the rest of the Indian Federation because I did it no level. And it was. It was the pros and cons and the failures and the reasons for the failure of the West Indian Federation in the late 50s. Right. So now you showed me it was always a plot. But you got a big journey. Because I'm wondering how can we make it that a day and still going on where our politicians and the likes are all satisfied with being crowned whatever of the British Knights or whatever of the Royal Majesty, Queen, whatever. You understand? Yeah, but that type of mentality you not. I think one of our PMs had refused those type of medals. Right. But you know the history of the British Empire, the Papacy, very naive. And it's just for education. I don't know I have an entry in mind. But I thank God for my teachers that taught me how to read and write and do basic math. I was able to carry on and keep reading. I'm a free thinker because I was always a free reader. I am not dogmatic and blindly Dogmatic because I read different books, different outlooks I don't no one told me which books to read. I just decided to go into global politics and geopolitics and they call it conspiracy theories and I see the world for what it is. No one can paint a picture for me that's not good for me if you're painting a picture for me. Let's look at what you're saying let's look at the nursery rhymes, the crimes, the times you think it was really right for you to teach me these nursery rhymes with Dicky Ricky dock the most run up the clock now to tell us about a tag a lava. [01:19:07] Speaker B: You know what I can do a show on fairy tales but I'm saying [01:19:10] Speaker A: these things don't have no I mean reason for them but what I'm saying is what effect does that have on me? So as black people we're just wallowing and I saw Bran Cooperson meaning the Serapis looking Yeshua right because he's you know we like to call on these names and we just ride along all the knowledge of being spoon fed for decades and centuries and we expect to arrive But I mean I thank God that you're able to put these on the airbus but about education for me but I did I look at diagrams and I like to read diagrams reading so I'm pictographic I like to read and comprehend and so one of the things that hurt me most was putting your shirt in your pants in school I always get in problems with that because that's one in what was this all about? Yeah you see me so I had a problem from naturally knowing things that you eccentric and this is why we can't find ourselves we always wallowing of course you know Africa is 70% grassland it was no jungle give thanks I'm vexed. Yeah I don't know what's next. [01:20:02] Speaker B: Yes my brother Dr. Amos Wilson talks about the fact that education, right false education, it makes you dumb. Based exclusively on this is a book called Awakening the natural genius of black children by Amos Wilson. He explains that education makes black people dumb not through neglect but through deliberate design. The system is working. Exactly. So if the boys in ain't qualified the system working exactly the way it was designed to work. He argues that the very system meant to enlighten is structured to limit, misdirect and suppress the intellectual potential of African people in particular these boys. That's my added on part there because we're looking at what's happening in our society education. Wilson is unequivocal Education is not neutral. So when you ask the question, but I mean all of them, all I'm in the class, how come all of them may learn it? Education is not neutral. It is an instrument of domination. Dr. Amos Wilson states, education is a form of war. You must understand that every discipline and every institution in this society is a part of its imperialism. Every single one, every minister that sits in the House of Parliament. I'm not blaming them. I'm saying this is the system that they inherited. Now they don't fix it. They can be complicit. Every single one of these systems is a part of the system of imperialism. Each is a part of the means by which the European American intends to maintain dominance over the rest of the world. This includes the churches, the schools, the family, the welfare system, the economic system. You can't name one that isn't from this perspective. A system that makes black people dumb is not broken. It is working as intended. The goal is not to develop African intelligence for African purposes. The goal is to maintain European dominance for ensuring that African people never fully develop the intellectual tools needed to challenge the dominance. So these boys are victims of a system that is working exactly the way it's supposed to work. Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't go and study and shouldn't read, but you got to teach them what to study. Education is very basis for making people ignorant. In a striking passage, Dr. Wilson argues that formal education is often the primary mechanism for producing ignorance, not curing it. He writes, one of the major instruments for putting people out of their minds is education. It is often the very basis for making and it is the intellectual and the PhD that have us in the whole trouble we're in today. Let me read that again. It is the intellectual and PhD that have us in the trouble we are in today. Wilson points to nuclear physicists, biologists and economists, educated people in society as examples. They build weapons of mass destruction, develop biological agents, and design economic systems that starve African people. Their education, he argues, has been stripped of morality, love for humanity and concern for their own children. He goes on to say, these scientists are so denuded of moral morality, love for humanity, and concern for their own children and the generations of their children that they sell their services to the highest bidder and permit themselves to become the tools of politicians. This is a quote unquote dumb person is not necessarily someone who cannot read. It is someone who has been educated to serve destructive ends without questioning them. Callie Alive 1 Once you got to be ready, man. You know What I'm saying, hello. [01:23:51] Speaker A: How you doing? [01:23:52] Speaker B: How you doing, man? [01:23:54] Speaker A: But you know, this is your night, boy. Guess what? I even having somebody teaching me how to call that foreign name with you guys because I know you're a doctor. [01:24:06] Speaker B: You did well. You did well. [01:24:08] Speaker A: Now they teach me now smartly, when you call in today, you got to say uncle some rock star for Sparky. [01:24:15] Speaker B: Gold star for Sparky today. [01:24:18] Speaker A: Now, hold on now. I just leaving Kenny to just buy one new wheelbarrow. [01:24:22] Speaker B: Okay. You billing again. [01:24:24] Speaker A: Guess what? Now I. I love this conversation. Especially when that psychiatrist. [01:24:30] Speaker B: Yes. [01:24:30] Speaker A: That psychologist calling. [01:24:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:33] Speaker A: And was telling you all that thing. But it's the truth. What you talking. And that other one woman. But everybody say don't let her call it no more. Then you block her and ask about the Berlin conference. And she talking all the things. But there's black people and white people. No white man did it. And that. And then you ask her one question. Do you know what the Berlin conference is all about? [01:24:58] Speaker B: Right. [01:24:59] Speaker A: You know. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Hey, go ahead. [01:25:06] Speaker B: Go ahead. [01:25:07] Speaker A: You asked her the question. She couldn't answer. [01:25:10] Speaker B: No. And that's the point. I was trying to. [01:25:11] Speaker A: I know. I know why you asked the question why she couldn't answer. What the Berlin. What the Berlin call. When the Europeans decided to get together. [01:25:21] Speaker B: Yep. [01:25:22] Speaker A: To divide Africa. [01:25:23] Speaker B: That's right. [01:25:25] Speaker A: You know. [01:25:25] Speaker B: That's right. And we wasn't there. [01:25:26] Speaker A: And all of them went down there to split up Africa. Take all the precious gold and minerals and everything and split it between themselves. [01:25:35] Speaker B: Yes. [01:25:36] Speaker A: And let the black people be poverty in the biggest country and the country that God made in the beginning. [01:25:43] Speaker B: That's right. [01:25:44] Speaker A: And that woman called in and telling me she know about history. That woman in here. She don't even know about King Henry viii. And how can Henry Smith from Rome and the Pope because he wanted to divorce a woman. And they say I'm Henry the 8am Went through eight wives because he wanted a son. [01:26:03] Speaker B: Yes. [01:26:04] Speaker A: Anne Boleyn and all of them kind of name. And S. Thomas Moore and all of them kind of name. They don't know when they talk Hessey. Tell them talk to Spocky and Spocky. [01:26:13] Speaker B: I hope they listening because you're teaching today. Thank you so much for calling. Spocky. Thank you so much for calling. Call it. Let's get the next caller. Call you live. Call it going once. All right, they can call back. Dr. Amos Wilson continues education that prevents abstract and logical thinking. Dr. Wilson makes a crucial psychological argument. European dominance depends on keeping African people trapped in concrete thinking while preventing the development of abstract, additional and sequential thinking, he explains. If we want to know the characteristics that white race racism wishes to impose on the black child, there is one major question we may ask ourselves. What is it that we must not be able to do or have in our character if the white man is to stay dominant? The answer? African people must not think abstractly because the abstract thinking reveals the hidden patterns of oppression. If you don't see the patterns of oppression, you don't think it's there. African people must not think logically and relationally because logical thinking exposes the contradictions and systems that claim to be just while practicing exploitation. Oh, man, it's all neutral. We all learn the same thing. No, we're not. African people must not read between the lines. How white supremacy operates is written openly in books, but the ability to extract that truth has been rebellious, oppressed. Dr. Wilson says the white man is so arrogant that he puts his knowledge right in front of our face, most often in writ. Keep us from going to libraries. He doesn't keep us from reading. He doesn't keep us from buying books. But he has so manipulated our interests and motivation, has put us in such a state that he can place written and other forms of information right before our eyes and we will not look at and understand them. The result? Black students read rat and do not realize that they are the rat and the dog. The knowledge of their own oppression is available, but the education system has destroyed their capacity to recognize it. That's what's happening. We're gonna take a break here on Guardian Radio today. I AM your host, Dr. Cleveland W. Hinnius III. Uncle Siraz Spocky would say keep it locked. Everything I think about before my people and every time I shout it before my people, I do it for the [01:28:41] Speaker A: good it be for my people. I do it for the hood it be for my people now a revolution. [01:28:48] Speaker B: If done right, it won't be a rumor that's repeated. [01:28:51] Speaker A: Turn a trip to Burger King Nassau into a galactic adventure with the Mondo and Grogu whopper combo featuring special shake fries. Whether you're a bounty hunter in training or just here for your way, Burger King Nassau has everything Mandalorian Grogu related you could want. Grab the toys, the mugs, the crowns and your crew and head on down to BK and celebrate the Mandalorian and Grogu adventure with Burger King Nassau. This is the way at Star General. [01:29:21] Speaker B: You can go Gold Comprehensive car insurance covers loss or damage for from accidents, [01:29:26] Speaker A: fire, theft and third party liability. But the Gold Package gives you increased coverage for rental car and windscreen, personal accident, medical benefits, deductible waiver and 24 hour roadside assistance. Star General Gold Package also gives you up to $2,500 for accidental damage to [01:29:43] Speaker B: a rental car anywhere in the Bahamas. Go Gold with Star General Insurance made simple Cancer touches farts many families, but Hope still lives in community Join the Jenny Dean Caring and Sharing Cancer Support group for the Hope Walk 2026 on Saturday, June 13th at 6am at Goodmans Bay. Walk alongside survivors, patients, caregivers and families as we come together in strength, healing and support. Enjoy community fellowship, vendors, activities and our Inspiring Hope concert immediately following the walk. Register today at gdcancersupportgroup.com let's take every step forward together for Hope. [01:30:35] Speaker A: Love the show. Want to give your support? Become a sponsor today. [01:30:38] Speaker B: Call 302-2300 for our rates and packages. [01:30:42] Speaker A: That's 302-2300. Become a sponsor on Guardian Radio 96.9 FM Fresh News Smart Talk all day. [01:30:53] Speaker B: This is Guardian Radio 96.9 FM. Fresh news Smart Talk all day. Black people in Cosmos Nation Emancipation Proclamation More time is what we face here on Guardian Radio today. That's Goody Mob. If you don't know, I'm a 90s Rob kind of guy, you know what I mean? So I I don't really come out of the 90s too tough. This text says uncle your eye opening block Empowering shows are so powerful. You have captured the attention of the great Anton Thompson, who had seemingly turned away from the abandoned and abandoned Guardian Radio for numerous months. But miraculously, the great Anton swiftly, rapidly began calling again when the voice of uncle appeared on the Cartier two days a week sometime last year. Uncle, you hot. Keep up the great work Uncle. Love your eye opening black empowering shows y' all something else. Thank you so much for listening. Taxter. So Anku, y' all be texting me a lot. I need to call in. So Anku, there there are intelligent, sophisticated individuals like yourself and others who know and understand the colonial education and educational system. Why haven't enough people like you have changed this colonial system of education in the Bahamas and thought out the Caribbean and other African countries? I know you're doing it on a small scale with your school, but you have the connections and family ties to policymakers to implement changes and also your connections to other Caribbean and African policymakers will be helpful to make these changes sooner than you Think well, textile. We're doing our best. You know, we've put the history book out. Katherine International Academy is up and running. The Holy Coptic Church, the Black Messiah is up and running. We hear on the radio. I mean, we just need help, you know? So come and help us. Let's go back to the phone lines. Calling you live. [01:32:56] Speaker A: Hey, brother, uncle. [01:32:57] Speaker B: Hey, great, man. Thanks for calling, man. [01:32:59] Speaker A: Listen. Always, man. Listen, couple of things here. Yeah. I analyze a lot of the baby boomers, right? [01:33:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:05] Speaker A: Who called in today on multiple shows. And these gentlemen are apologists. Yes, they are a bunch of apologists. They belong to. I hate to use the word fraternity. Right. But they belong to a class of. Or an age when it's okay to back up your brother. You know what I'm saying? My brother is wrong. He may be wrong, but he's right in my eyes. No one could talk about my brother but me. And I feel like comments that Mr. Claire had made. Listen, he may be right in some instances, but let's look at the broader picture. Look at who he was dressing. We're not talking about what he said, you know, because words are words. [01:33:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:47] Speaker A: Look at the context. Look where it was said. Look at his reaction. So many may interpret it as a joke being funny or he's being sarcastic, whatever it is. But I will tell you this much. Every. For every bad boy, there's a good boy. [01:34:08] Speaker B: Of course. [01:34:09] Speaker A: For every man that's in prison, I know that there are a lot of innocent persons there as well. [01:34:14] Speaker B: That's true. [01:34:15] Speaker A: For every person who is in prison who has done something bad, I could show you someone on the street who's good. [01:34:22] Speaker B: Several. [01:34:22] Speaker A: Yes, several. So let's. Let's stay. Stray away from this. All the young boys, bad. You know, you don't have. You don't have a mother. You don't have a father in your life. And I mean, there are special cases where you have absent fathers, but you do also have cases where. And I won't talk with nobody else. I'll talk with me. [01:34:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:44] Speaker A: My father wasn't around. [01:34:45] Speaker B: Okay. [01:34:46] Speaker A: And I turned out pretty well. I turned out pretty good. [01:34:49] Speaker B: You. You probably had a support system, though, right? [01:34:51] Speaker A: Well, I will say. Well, don't. Don't all children have support systems? [01:34:57] Speaker B: Sometimes. Some. Some. Some children's support system is the street and not. [01:35:02] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you this much. I was one of those young men. My lady was strict. [01:35:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:35:07] Speaker A: I still. I still told my backside when I did things out of the way. [01:35:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:35:11] Speaker A: Nothing. What. Nothing different than what anybody else out here. I think it all boils down to choice. What some people you could either choose, make the sacrifice, stay on the right track, or fall by the wayside and. And turn into a life of crime if it isn't that official to you. If you're doing everything the right way, you have patience, you're going to lose your weight and you're going to fall by the wayside and get indulged. Sorry. And get engulfed in things that are called duggerish. [01:35:41] Speaker B: But anyway, I appreciate. Yeah, man, thank you so much. And I definitely appreciate your perspective. You're right. There are a lot of young boys that are doing well, but we got to make sure that we reach in and grab the ones that aren't doing so well. And this is why rites of passage is so important. I think we need to become familiar with what rites of passage. Today we have confirmation in church and different things like that, which is really built off of the reality of what a rite of passage really was. But your community carried you through the socializing process. It wasn't just the school or the church. The community had standards that even the church and the schools ultimately had to respect. And because we've lost, I don't understand what it is. But you were held accountable. I went through rite of passage. And when I went through rite of passage, the men held us as young men accountable. The women held the young women accountable. You understand? Let me get these last two calls and then I'll read something to get us out of the show. Go ahead, caller, call her. Going once. All right, let's go to the next caller. Call her. Going once. [01:36:58] Speaker A: Hi, Mr. Hey, Mr. Uncle Sira, how you doing? I'm calling back again. And listen, I don't want. A lot of people is calling you [01:37:09] Speaker B: and they beat you up. They say you need to go visit Dr. Higgs, man. [01:37:14] Speaker A: I need to visit who? [01:37:15] Speaker B: Dr. Higgs. Jacinta Higgs down there at Catherine International in a beautiful way. They were just saying they. [01:37:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I know about that. [01:37:22] Speaker B: Yeah, she has a beautiful. She's very well versed in. In history. [01:37:27] Speaker A: Yeah. But. Yeah, all right. I'm only calling you because I know time. [01:37:30] Speaker B: Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. [01:37:32] Speaker A: All right, sir. And please answer me or including for Sparky. Answer me honestly. Yes, all right. And let me tell you this, okay? Logos. Yeah, Logos. West Africa. You know about that. [01:37:47] Speaker B: Lagos. Okay, yeah. Nigeria. [01:37:49] Speaker A: Yeah. On the end there. Did any. And when I could. Right. Did any black man go in there? No. Did any white man go in there and bring out black Slaves? [01:38:03] Speaker B: Yes. Let me explain why Nigeria was. Was. Was not. Listen, listen. You asked me from Nigeria. My family is from there. So you asked me about Nigeria. I'm from. From when we left for beakuta. It wasn't Nigeria. The white man came in and named it Nigeria. [01:38:23] Speaker A: It was. [01:38:23] Speaker B: It was. Black people didn't name that country Nigeria. So if black. If white people could come in there and change the whole name of the country, you don't think they could come in and take. Take people? I'm here because they took us. Now, did black people participate in it? Of course. We wanted duress. The same way the Jews. The same way. They had Jews putting other Jews in. In Hitler's ovens. They were in Hitler's army. Jews were in Hitler's army. Jews were putting other Jews in. In. In the oven. But we don't. We don't. We don't tell them that they shouldn't talk about their holocaust. [01:38:54] Speaker A: Okay, I agree with you. You speak about the reparations. [01:39:00] Speaker B: We didn't really talk. We didn't really talk about it full on today. But, but go ahead, sir. [01:39:04] Speaker A: I'm asking you this. Okay, I'm asking you, but years and years and years ago, before when the slave trade. When the. When it started, the triangular trade, then. [01:39:14] Speaker B: Yes, go ahead. [01:39:15] Speaker A: Right, yes. Did any. Right. It was a blum. And I could tell you, and I need going this further because I. I'm very vocid for rum, for guns, and for. I think it. What. Anyway, you know, white man was stupid enough to go into west Africa. [01:39:36] Speaker B: So I understand the point. So I understand the point. [01:39:39] Speaker A: Going in there. [01:39:40] Speaker B: Listen, listen. I understand the point that you're making. You're saying that they stayed on the coast. I understand. I agree with you on that. Were there black people who were complicit or were a part of. Of bringing blocks out of the interior? Yes, yes, you're right about that. The content, the context of the conversation, however, is being skewed, whereby you now are saying that the people who had nothing to do with the economic model, they had nothing to do with the Berlin conference. They had nothing to do with the finance and the economics that helped to build Europe while underdeveloping Africa, while underdeveloping the Caribbean. These black people had nothing to do with that. [01:40:19] Speaker A: Right? [01:40:19] Speaker B: But now you want to take everything that was gained by the European and say that these black people caused that, so why aren't they benefiting from it? [01:40:27] Speaker A: I'm not saying that black people cost it. Okay, I'm asking you this question. I coming off the phone after that. [01:40:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I got another call. [01:40:34] Speaker A: White man ever go in that west coast right there. [01:40:39] Speaker B: So I need you to. I need you, since you keep boxing with the white man, I need you to look up the King Leopold. You ever heard of him? [01:40:47] Speaker A: Am I wrong or right? [01:40:48] Speaker B: I'm asking you a question. Have you ever heard of King. King Leopold? [01:40:51] Speaker A: I'm listening. Oh, give me the question, Leo. [01:40:53] Speaker B: The white man, he's one. King Leopold. Go look up King Leopold and the Congo. No, no, no, no, no. [01:41:02] Speaker A: He. [01:41:02] Speaker B: He was very much a part of what you're calling slavery today. Look up King Leopold. All right, I got to go to the next caller. We'll talk about more on Friday. Thank you so much. Calling you live. [01:41:11] Speaker A: Good morning, Uncle. Just a quick go ahead a few minutes. You know, all she has to do is go look to the Pope apology that just was given. [01:41:17] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. [01:41:19] Speaker A: So what happens is this is why a good article like this tenant to you that appeared in The Guardian on May 18, you do not believe what you see. You see what you believe, meaning that you're taught. And so this is why I'm just simply saying, like, listen, most of the child catch it later tomorrow. [01:41:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:35] Speaker A: And so this is why it's important that as we move forward, more so in the Bahamas, we must choose empowerment or right. [01:41:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:44] Speaker A: Education should not merely fill our mind, it should free the person. [01:41:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:48] Speaker A: And empowered citizens demand better school, better housing, stronger families, stronger communities, fairer systems, because they understand that knowledge without agency is agency without knowledge is chaos. [01:42:01] Speaker B: Yes. [01:42:02] Speaker A: The future belongs to people educated not to obey the world as it is, but empowered to build as it ought to be. [01:42:13] Speaker B: Amen. [01:42:13] Speaker A: And we are in the best condition in the last five years. The problem is that we have leadership who have been educated to think a particular way. And so, like you say, you train animals, not call them animals, but once they have been taught that and use the word cemented and they have become cemented in their thinking. [01:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:34] Speaker A: And so we need a disruption, corruption. And the arrow we're in right now gives us access to the resources that makes us equal with them. And we are now giving it away with even, I see, software like Oracle and all these other different things. Because the very things they're giving us to, you say to make us better, not what we want they're giving us. What they want us to have is actually a capture doctrine. Doctrine where we give the data we need to build this future we have. Should have. [01:43:02] Speaker B: Yes. [01:43:02] Speaker A: Thank you so much. [01:43:02] Speaker B: Thank you so much. Let's Try to get one more call before we get out of here. Call you live. Hey, how you doing? [01:43:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm on good shows as as usual. And, and this is another lady represents the, the. The. Your show is so important, man, you know, because you think you could, you could be. You think there's something called slavery education. [01:43:26] Speaker B: Yeah, we, we living in it. [01:43:28] Speaker A: All right then, so that's trustworth. That's the point I'm making. Because you know, if you can't, if you can't even phantom like we like to say that there's a possibility that your slave master is responsible for you being a slave. Right. That's a very dangerous situation, man. You know. Yeah, but, but Leopold, and I mean those fellows, them, they kill me. Millions and millions, millions, millions and millions of blocks. [01:43:56] Speaker B: Chopping off people on and foot and [01:43:59] Speaker A: cause them to have the same type of mental attitude with the lady expressed in the date. [01:44:04] Speaker B: Right. I got dress up properly on Friday though. Trust me. [01:44:06] Speaker A: Yeah, well, please do, you know, because you know, it's just the ignorance. There's no disrespect. It's just ignorance. And a lot of people need to be informed and enlightened. [01:44:16] Speaker B: Thank you so much again. We got a lot of work to do with our children in general. Our young boys cannot be left behind. Young girls cannot be left behind. We gotta make sure that we find out first and foremost what actually happened to us. All right. Someone asked me is Dr. Hicks. Yes. She's still the director over there at Katherine. So you definitely need to go down there if you want to get your child into the school. My name again is Pastor Dr. Cleveland W. Henness III, also known as Kahun Ankusara. The talking heads are up next, mj, so keep it locked here. Radio Fresh News. Smart talk all day. Namaste. Family certainly won't be televised, snapchatted or tweeted. Any admission is essentially asking for permission. An easy way to know your eta cuz just like we listened. Did he listen? And it's cause and propagated.