Guardian Radio Today - August 22 2025

[00:00:02] Speaker A: This is Guardian Radio, your station for up to the minute news and intelligent, interactive and engaging conversations. 96.9 FM. The views and opinions of the hosts and guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the management and staff of Guardian Radio. Guardian Radio today is brought to you by Alive Burger King, the Cleveland Clinic, Commonwealth Bank, Epic Battery, Janae's Uniform center, the Ministry of Tourism, Printmasters Bronze Electric Motors and Wendy's. [00:00:51] Speaker B: Good afternoon Bahamas. It is a beautiful Friday here in the Commonwealth of the Bahamas. I am your co host Darvin Russell in studio with Garth Rose. The Late Today Today we are going to have a conversation, hopefully about the state of illegal immigration here in the Commonwealth of the Bahamas. As you know that this is a topic that's quite emotive here in the Commonwealth of the Bahamas. And hopefully today we can elevate the discourse and get to the point where we can probably have some solutions to the challenges that we face in this nation. For those of you that are going to call, the numbers to reach out today are 323-623-2325-4316 and 325-4259 toll free 2423-00-5720 for our family island listeners and for those reaching out via WhatsApp or text 4224796. Other numbers to call. Now, when we think about this topic called migration or immigration, I think it's helpful for us we consider a legal migrant. So what is the definition of a legal migrant? So I will just give you what Google says. It says a person who moves to a new country and is granted permission by that country's government to reside there, often for reasons such as work study or family reunification. Now, we know that there are many folks of many different cultures here in the Bahamas having settled, having integrated, and some, I guess, even have not integrated into our culture. But nevertheless, we by and large live peaceably amongst ourselves with our brethren from other nations. As you know, I took the liberty to get some data for us to have a conversation around, and the data, even when I downloaded it, surprised me as to the origin of the greatest proportion of our legal migrants. Now, of course, one of the challenges that Bahamians face is we don't necessarily have a headcount as to who is here legally or illegally. I think, I think we have a good but when you factor in the illegal migrant problem, is the number 10,000, is it 15? Is it 20, is it 3,000? And for those that have been here for a decade, two decades or more, what do we do? They have somewhat assimilated into our culture. We have accepted them as family members, friends and neighbors, church members. But now we may have reached a point, some say we may have reached that point a while ago where we can no longer shoulder the burden of some of the challenges that illegal migration causes on the Bahamas. The overburdened school system, the overburdened hospitals. And yet at the same time, a lot of our migrants, illegal migrants, provide a necessary service for Bahamians. Right now, you know that a lot of Bahamians have moved out of the landscaping business. They're not the persons that are directly providing landscaping services. They're not necessarily the persons providing housekeeping or sanitation services. They're not necessarily the people that are providing entry level carpentry, masonry services. So what is it? What is, what are we to do as a culture? Do we take a hard stance and decide that it doesn't matter how long you weren't granted permission to be here by the Bahamas government to reside here legally, so you should go irrespective of the length of time? Or do we say, do we develop a pragmatic approach and say that, you know what, we can't afford to send them all back and therefore we pick an arbitrary date? And we say, if you've been here 10 years or, or greater, we will provide you with a path to permanent residency, a path to citizenship. Or we say, if you've been here 10 years or less, you gotta go home voluntarily, we will provide you with a flight, as the Americans seem to have done, to allow for voluntary repatriation. Is that the process that we should follow in the Bahamas? Once again, we'd love to hear your thoughts to join us in this conversation. 323-623-2325-4316 and 325-4259 text line again is 422-4796. And we are joined by the captain who has arrived in studio. Garth, say hello to the people and introduce our conversation today, if you will. [00:06:13] Speaker C: My very good brother, the smarter brother. And Russell, man, these phones already lit up. I'm not going to have any further ado. I'm going to listen to see what they got to say to you. [00:06:25] Speaker A: All right. [00:06:25] Speaker C: Before I do anything else I respect. [00:06:27] Speaker B: Go ahead, man. [00:06:28] Speaker C: So call on the line. [00:06:29] Speaker A: Go ahead, please. Go ahead, call. [00:06:32] Speaker B: You're on the line. [00:06:33] Speaker A: Yes, good afternoon. In regards to the immigration situation, all funds and Jaheim people talking about the issuing of passports, I mean your passport is a, is more sacred. That's your Nationality, you know, and that's something your sovereignty, you need to protect. And you just can't just be given away because one day, one day you wake up, you find yourself overthrown. Bye bye, bye bye. These people. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Do you think that that's a real fear that Bahamians have? [00:07:12] Speaker A: Pardon me, sir? [00:07:13] Speaker B: Do you think that that's a real fear that Bahamians have? You think that we are. [00:07:18] Speaker A: I mean, it's a fear in a, in a, in a sense. But the point of the matter is, is that, you know, I mean, these people, you see how they carry on back in their own state and they bring in all of their same mentality here, you know. And so, you know, they can't seem to have a stable situation back home where they are. They're just bringing this, their way of life this way. And it just making our situation even more, you know, more complex, more difficult. It's not really a little thought on the map. There's only so much we could do to help fathers trying to do it, you know, when they come, they looking out for their people, like in a sense, you know. So I mean, we need to do something about it. [00:08:06] Speaker B: So what's your position? Would you, would you want to see. Regardless of how long you've been here illegally, would you want to see them all go back home? [00:08:18] Speaker A: We gotta regulate the situation. I mean, you could use some as labels, whatever the case is, but I mean, you know, there's only so much we could do, so. [00:08:31] Speaker B: So you might be, you sound like you might be comfortable with maybe like a lottery type system where we allocate a certain number of spaces. So let's say for those that wish to come to the Bahamas, we cap the number of legal migrants to no more than 2,000 persons a year. And we distributed those 2,000 applications or opportunities amongst countries in the region or around the entire world. And you do some random lottery system and whoever wins the lottery gets a work permit to come to the Bahamas. Is that something that's happening? [00:09:06] Speaker A: Yeah, something like that. That is fine. But there's only so much we could take. And you know, these, these people has no respect. We land because you could just. We can't just go on anybody country and set up without authorities and going through the right procedure. You understand what I'm saying? [00:09:23] Speaker B: Fair enough. [00:09:24] Speaker A: There's a lot of things that we allow it to fester totally out of. [00:09:28] Speaker B: Control is, are we at a point of no return? [00:09:32] Speaker A: I mean, that's the way it seems. [00:09:34] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:34] Speaker A: Because like if the toroid ain't Doing nothing about it, I mean, or doing very little. I mean, obviously, you know, it seems like that's the way it is because we'll be outnumbered. And like I say, they can look out for their people. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel you, my brother. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Really checking for what we do. Because like I say, you read, you ran a place to one of them. They can try to stalk as many as there are people in that one area. [00:10:02] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:10:03] Speaker A: So it poses a problem. [00:10:05] Speaker B: Thank you for your contribution. Appreciate you. [00:10:06] Speaker A: Yeah, no problem. [00:10:07] Speaker B: Have a great day. [00:10:08] Speaker C: All right, next caller, please. Go ahead, caller. [00:10:10] Speaker B: Caller, you're on the line. I'm good, my friend. How are you? [00:10:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I love the topic today. Right. It's also a very sensitive topic. [00:10:17] Speaker B: It is. [00:10:18] Speaker A: We could actually take a left turn if you let it, because what happened is people tend to get emotional. Comes to immigration. Yes, they do one thing, one problem, the main problem you have to fight. The source of this. The source of it is simply economics. People come in for economical gain. So what you do is you cut the pipeline, which is work. Okay? The reason why we are having this problem is. Right? And we're going to be continuously having this problem is we have a lust for cheap labor. What I mean by that is, right, the prostitute label. That's what we do. Simply construction. We need immigration, we need immigrants. Because that's, let's, let's just be frank and let's be real. One other rate. This is real word. If all behemoths do construction, laborate, or work in the construction field, you know will happen. I'll tell you what will happen. What will happen is, is the cost of the housing will go up because no behemoth is going to work for the minimum wage that the Haitians are about to work for. [00:11:26] Speaker B: Can I challenge you a little bit on that point? So here's what you know, one of the things I think we're challenged by sometimes is speaking from a position of factual information, right? When you think about what the wage rate is that we're paying an illegal migrant versus a Bahamian, I am not seeing the difference the way it used to be back in the day. What is happening in the marketplace right now, especially in certain sectors, you may be able to get an illegal migrant to work cheaper, maybe in housekeeping. But when it comes to construction, the day rate that you're paying a mason, a carpenter, is pretty much on par with what you would have to pay a Bahamian for that. So I am not only. Or the primary reason why illegal migrants are still being hired is because they're cheaper. I think it goes deeper than that to maybe an issue of work ethic, an issue of productivity. So if you have an illegal migrant, he shows up at 7am and he works all day. If you hire a Bahamian, that job may take three days as opposed to two days. You see what I'm saying? So while you may be paying the same day rate, the total cost of your, of your project is smaller because you're not paying for as many days. Do you understand? You see the point I'm making? [00:12:55] Speaker A: Okay, you me with this, right? [00:12:58] Speaker B: Go ahead, my brother. [00:12:58] Speaker A: I'm not being insulting any form of ways. How have you constructed the house before? [00:13:04] Speaker C: Yes. [00:13:05] Speaker B: Three times. [00:13:05] Speaker A: Okay, three times, Right. How much blocks are average or estimate that it takes to build up to say bell course? Probably about 1800 to 2000 blocks. Okay, right. The cost of a block is basically $2.25 a block. [00:13:24] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:13:25] Speaker A: If a behemoth charges $2.25 per block. Right? [00:13:30] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:13:31] Speaker A: On a Haitian charges say basically 165. [00:13:35] Speaker B: Okay. [00:13:36] Speaker A: When you calculate the difference. [00:13:38] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:13:38] Speaker A: But you know, when you do a house and you calculate by 2000 block. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:13:43] Speaker A: It's a significant difference. I understand the economics right there, what I'm talking about. [00:13:48] Speaker B: Fair point, my brother. Appreciate your contribution. [00:13:50] Speaker A: Also, before you go right to ethics, you could get a Haitian to work basically all day long. I'll probably take a 30 minute lunch break, you know. Mm. When we break, we break. We break. All right. [00:14:05] Speaker C: All right. [00:14:05] Speaker A: You can call some luck for us. [00:14:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I appreciate you. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Oh, gee. [00:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [00:14:10] Speaker C: Let me take the next caller. Go ahead, call her. [00:14:12] Speaker B: Call you on the air. [00:14:13] Speaker A: Hey, good afternoon to all of you. [00:14:14] Speaker B: Hey, guy. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Mr. Roseborough, I have a question for you and also for your. Well, he's. He's actually the man of the show. [00:14:23] Speaker C: That's my co host for the Sunday show remark. That's Dalvin Russell. He comes on every Sunday. [00:14:28] Speaker A: I like his temperament. He's very sober with his statistics and spot on. [00:14:32] Speaker B: I appreciate you. [00:14:32] Speaker C: That's why he's a co host. I'm the crazy one. [00:14:35] Speaker A: Okay, but let's talk to the co host first. I would like to know, seeing that you were issuing a lot of documents and a lot of information, stats, were you able to determine, because I prefer to use the word undocumented, illegal. [00:14:50] Speaker B: Okay, fair enough. [00:14:52] Speaker A: Were you able to determine how many babies are born every year, Princess Margaret or into the Bahamas that are. Is there any place you can find that information? [00:15:00] Speaker B: Now I can go and do that research now, if you listen to Remark on Sunday, I might have that data for you. That's a good bit of homework. Okay, so you want to know the number of babies born per year. Okay. [00:15:13] Speaker A: That have been discovered to be undocumented, meaning they were born in pmh. But then, you know, once the babies drop, you don't hear nothing but the baby no more. Mm. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Do. Is that. Is that data that we even track? [00:15:26] Speaker A: I don't think so. I feel as if there may be some persons, particularly those in the political arena, who like to hold on to that, if they have that information, because that's helpful for them in the future. [00:15:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that's an Interesting. [00:15:39] Speaker A: For Mr. Rose. Boroughs. He could borrow. He could answer this, and then you could answer the next one. I can ask you, certainly, if Mr. Rose were to see his surname being advertised as persons using that name, meaning to change their name. Let's say 12 of them show up in the paper. I just want to know if you keep quiet on that matter or just let it slide. That's the first question for him. [00:15:58] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:59] Speaker A: And then the one for you again. According to the Haitian constitution, in order to actually receive a passport or to become a citizen of another country, you have to actually fly to Haiti and renounce that. Now, I'm being told that you don't have to do that, but the constitution says you have to go there. Okay, but people are saying, but you go to the. And I want to know, have you been really shooting ourselves in the foot by giving people our citizenship when they really don't qualify because they never proved that they renounced it in their country? Could I hang up and listen? [00:16:28] Speaker B: I'll hear you better. That's a great point, sir. Thank you for your contribution. I'm going to answer the last one, of course, because that was specifically directed to me, and I'll have Garth take the other one. The provisions under the Haitian constitution are from a. I guess, if you. If you want to look at it this way, it's. It's that that's how their law is structured. Now, I think the only way that we could enforce that in the context of Bahamian law is if we somehow had a provision that would say, in order for you to be a citizen or a permanent resident of the Bahamas, you have to abide by the rules of your other birthplace or the country that you have citizenship with as well. But the Bahamas, as far as I am aware, does not have any provisions where you have to renounce the citizenship of another country in order to be a citizen of The Bahamas. Hopefully that answers your question, my friend. Next caller, you're on the air. [00:17:30] Speaker C: Next caller, go ahead. [00:17:32] Speaker B: Go ahead, caller, you're on the air. [00:17:34] Speaker A: Good afternoon. [00:17:36] Speaker C: How are you? [00:17:36] Speaker A: Darwin? Russell. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:17:39] Speaker A: God, obviously I'm well. So I wondered if I could enter this conversation about construction and foreign labor. Hey, Leonard, obviously this is something I've been speaking about for a long time. [00:17:54] Speaker B: Sure. [00:17:55] Speaker A: And I wanted to put it in context for the, you know, citizens of our country. The view and the position that we have in the construction industry is no way against our brothers and sisters from the South. [00:18:12] Speaker B: Okay. [00:18:12] Speaker A: That is contrary to what often is communicated in the print media and sometime how they frame it to make it sound more, you know, exciting. And here is the two points that is seminal to the argument. If we recognize that there are large groups of persons who find themselves in the Bahamas and find themselves in the Bahamas, it says to us that there is a significant void in our own internal desire to obtain those skills or services in country. [00:18:58] Speaker B: Is that okay? [00:18:59] Speaker A: My argument there to conclude that point is there and you could not find employment, what would you most likely do? Return or find another place. But if you can always come here and find work in construction, it suggests to me that there's a lot of working construction. It suggests to me that the lot of working construction is not taking up by people who could possibly do work in construction. And for whatever reason, they may not be interested or may not have the capabilities and on the final part of the capability standpoint. And Darwin, I want Goss, you guys to understand me. My major crux of construction for all contractors is this. If A young man, 18 years old, leaves Haiti, for example, he was a farmer, he now comes to the Bahamas within six months to eight months, he can call himself a mason. And to produce masonry application that we pay for. [00:19:59] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:00] Speaker A: You're telling me that person who had to learn a second language can learn that? And I can't take the thousands of young men and put him through an application program to get them to be masons and carpenters and the like. That's my biggest argument that I'm trying to present about this whole national issue. We are finding more difficult ways to train our young people while they're competing with persons who have no ability to speak the language, have to learn that and then enter the same space and get paid and up to speed within six months. That's the crux of the matter from the Behemoth and Drugs Association. We like to see the government look at and say, hey, we need to address this because we're losing too many persons who couldn't be actively and ably employed to others who come in and find employment. [00:20:48] Speaker B: So can I challenge you on a couple of points? [00:20:50] Speaker A: You can. [00:20:51] Speaker B: Okay, so let's, let's, let's say that I accept your argument. One of the challenges that I think Bahamians have is you, you, you, you might frame the argument or the position the way that you did. How do you then counter the argument that says, like the earlier caller, that says it's not about whether or not the jobs are available, it's about the wage rate that a Haitian is willing to work, that a Bahamian is not. That's the first position. The second issue about a lack of skills training and ability. Because we are citizens of this country, we have the right to do whatever we wish to do and to study whatever we wish to study. If the profession is not attractive to an 18 year old because he or she is competing with other industries for less laborious work for equal. So there is something to be said about why is it that the construction field does not appear to be sufficiently attractive a profession that young men aren't flocking to it in droves? Because I would argue that the government has already provided and you can argue whether or not it's sufficient. But just follow the logic for me for a minute. The government has already provided, whether it's btvi, whether it's some of the programs that may be within the high schools, whether it's at the University of the Bahamas, there is already opportunity for young men to avail themselves of the skills necessary to qualify to be professionals in those fields. And for whatever reason they seem not to gravitate to it, notwithstanding the either legal migrant or illegal migrant influx in that particular sub segment. [00:22:51] Speaker A: I think that's a very, very good observation and a very strong point. I don't think that there is much argument against the point you raised. Okay. I would though add. Brother Russell. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:09] Speaker A: The caveat to that. We all know, you and I and persons, we've traveled abroad. [00:23:14] Speaker B: Yeah. We have. [00:23:14] Speaker A: And we could always attest to the fact we were always in the top five of any class because what is the condition? And just like our brothers and sisters answer, we came to America. [00:23:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:24] Speaker A: To find a better way for ourselves and through education. And we was damn sure we gonna get it right. [00:23:29] Speaker B: It's the nature of an immigrant. Yeah. [00:23:30] Speaker A: Immigrant does. So I'm saying that that's the same motivation, motivating factor. [00:23:35] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:23:35] Speaker A: For the immigrant that come to the Bahamas. [00:23:37] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:23:38] Speaker A: I wanna say Though I think, and I've said it before, I don't think we make a career in construction, especially for those who really don't have another option, as attractive as we can. And I think you're right about that. I think there are programs available. I think in the high schools there's a great starting place where I know programs. My argument is that we need to increase the amount of high school, but offer the program. But at the same time, there is no messaging outside of a private industry, which is the Maimon Contract association consistently talking about how great it is to have a career in construction. [00:24:11] Speaker B: So. Absolutely. So I'll say this last thing before I let you go, because the switchboard is lit up. I will. This is my position. I strongly believe that we have to reimagine this industry as a whole. What is going on in the Bahamas is a travesty because there is significant money to be made in the construction and the technical skills. [00:24:35] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:35] Speaker B: So Darwin Russell would say we have not only a, a, a, an interest problem, but we have a marketing and strategy problem. [00:24:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:24:48] Speaker B: If, if I can talk about this for days, but if, if anything, if we were to reimagine the way in which we position this industry, I think you would have a flood of students interested if we were to say this is a technical field. This is a field where we are attracting the best and the brightest. Because right now construction is talked about like if you can't do nothing else, just a field for you to. Yeah. And I think that it's horrible marketing. So I appreciate your conversation, my brother. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Let me just close with this last finding. 10 seconds on this. I had some works going on. This work that's a week that I contracted to an individual. An individual. He started on Tuesday. He completed the day I sent him. $2,000. [00:25:29] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:25:31] Speaker C: I love it. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Fantastic talking to you as always. [00:25:35] Speaker C: Man, stop talking about 2000. You spent $2,000 on my lunch, man. We can talk to you later. Next caller, go ahead, please. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Go ahead, caller. You're on the air. [00:25:42] Speaker A: Garth Roseboro. [00:25:44] Speaker C: I'm here with Mr. Darvin Russell. It's good to hear from you. [00:25:47] Speaker A: Good morning, Mr. Russell. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Hi, darling, how are you? [00:25:50] Speaker A: Sorry. Good afternoon. You know, Scarf, the prime minister made a comment a while back where he said we don't have an illegal problem, didn't he? [00:26:00] Speaker C: Go ahead, Darvin. [00:26:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:26:02] Speaker B: I mean, I, I go on with you. [00:26:04] Speaker A: I think I remember him saying he made a comment similar to that. [00:26:08] Speaker B: Yeah. It was either him or how long. [00:26:10] Speaker A: Ago, how many years ago was it that Loftus Roker brought this this topic many, many years. [00:26:15] Speaker C: Well, I, I'm going to address that later on in the show, but I do appreciate you making the observation. I'm just letting everybody walk their lines. [00:26:21] Speaker A: Up and, and I want to add to the. The. The. With the conversation that's now where they're talking about. In the schools there are some programs, especially construction field like type programs and auto mechanics and other stuff. In most of the high school, however, there's no teachers for them and the teachers that are there are saying there's no material. So there's actually no work being done. I had two kids so far pass through the school indoors program, class out, literally spat the class out and did nothing. [00:26:50] Speaker C: Wow. [00:26:50] Speaker A: So if the teachers were being given the right materials to be able to teach these topics and these subjects, you would have. Besides the fact that it's not bragged about as a glamorous field, it's also on the streets talked about as one of the fastest way to make a lot of money. [00:27:09] Speaker C: You know what? I appreciate what you just said. I actually have a nonprofit organization that I started right. And I'm going to put it back into effect. But I have no issue volunteering my time without a dollar to go into any school. Once authorized to share my knowledge with these young people, I have absolutely no reservation in doing so. I would volunteer two to three hours out of my day just to pass that information on. I think there's a number of Bahamians who are willing to do that, willing to teach why it is profitable, why it is beneficial, what are the advantages of you can even build your own home. But we have not made those programs available. [00:27:50] Speaker B: And not only that, I think we lack. Yeah, I agree. Go ahead. [00:27:54] Speaker A: Because if you look into it, the other part is being able to afford the material. [00:27:58] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no. When I say volunteer my time. I'm coming with my material. That's my contribution. [00:28:04] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Because like I say, I had two sons pass through the school who had those as what they call their skills classes or extra. Okay, whatever. And option classes. My bad option classes. And they said they sat the glass out and then I question and they giving the children F. I agree. End of the Exam 10, you know. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Wow. [00:28:23] Speaker A: Wow. [00:28:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, I think we lack structure and strategy for sure. Thank you my. My dear. Appreciate your contribution. [00:28:29] Speaker C: That's an excellent contribution. Next call in the line. Go ahead. [00:28:32] Speaker A: Good morning, Good afternoon. I'm Gavin. [00:28:34] Speaker B: Good morning. Good afternoon. How are you, my brother? [00:28:38] Speaker A: In respect to this immigration issue. Right this is an easy fix for us. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Go ahead. [00:28:43] Speaker A: While we are, and we understand that Haiti is one of 17 countries who doesn't allow its citizens to renown citizenship. But then that's the Constitution, the constitutional matter. We have a legislation on our books that Article 13 in our Constitution afforded Parliament to do which is to go to Parliament and write law to address Article 71 in the Constitution which speaks to the issuance of citizenship. Remember in 73 they stated that persons residing in the Bahamas who were citizens of British or former British colonies. [00:29:17] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:18] Speaker A: Who were residing in the Bahamas can apply for citizenship. But then there's some, there is a particular section in that that speaks to the requirements as you got to. You would have had to apply between your 18 and 19 first date. Okay, correct. That's correct and respectful. And then Article 71 has already been tested. You know, it has been tested at the pretty consular level. In the case with the late dream, the late Ian Rooney, Fred Smith was indicating that being Rooney prior to going to the Privy Council would apply for citizenship. Had stated that despite him being born in the Bahamas, he's Damien. But when the Lords of London looked at this particular case that it seems like the media has dropped, they were clear, they stated that it is clear that the appellant at the time, the late June Rooney did not meet the criteria laid for in our Constitution meaning he didn't apply between his 18th and 19th birthday. [00:30:24] Speaker B: But don't you think that the bigger issue at play is the way the Constitution is silent? [00:30:31] Speaker A: No, sir. [00:30:31] Speaker B: On no, no, no. Let me ask my question. The way the constitution is silent on whether or not a person should be allowed to apply if they arrived in country or were born to parents who were illegal. That's my question. [00:30:47] Speaker A: Yeah, but Aristotle, if we had honorable men in Parliament you can apply, you apply for a lot of things and then they check it out. You don't need the criteria. No, no, that's not what I apply for citizenship. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with applying. But then some persons have construed the constitution meaning that once you apply it means then that you automatically get it. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Fair enough, fair enough. [00:31:10] Speaker A: That is not the case. Now when you look at the Nationality act, despite our premium law being the constitution statement and laying out the criteria for citizenship, meaning that you must apply between the 18 and 19th birthday. If you open up the guardian, maybe today you may see persons applying who have already passed 19. So. And they're getting citizenship. [00:31:29] Speaker B: So are you saying, are you saying if, if the application is not the problem. You're saying it's the granting of citizenship to a person who arrived illegally. That's the problem. And you're doing it under the provision that the. That the Constitution does not prohibit it. Is that your argument? [00:31:49] Speaker A: That's exactly what is happening. You see. Let me show something. Let me show something. When you're going to write a law, no law can trump the constitution of the Bahamas. Shouldn't. [00:31:59] Speaker B: Correct. [00:31:59] Speaker A: But in this case it does. The Nationality Act. See, because when you look at the Nationality act, it states that the minister can grant citizenship to anyone who is of full age. Now what is full age, Gavin? What is full age? Over 18, 1950. It has no cap on like how the Constitution has to cap between the 18th and 19th birthday. Yes, sir, the nationality. So all. Then what makes this. And compound this problem more vesting is the fact that no. Which nobody really talks about is this thing called the longest commit. That's unconstitutional. Either you have status or you don't. If you have status, the constitution can assist you. If you don't, then the late Gianro, you get nothing. But our parliament of the Bahamas have been complicit. You see, if you're going to write a law that is in contravention or that will reshape the interpretation of the Constitution, you then now need, I think it's 2/3 or 3/4 of the House of Houses, then you need to bring it to a referendum. We supposed to vote on this as Bahamians? We never vote on the activity. All of the activities, all of the activities that would have taken place under the Nationality act is flawed. Bear in mind also. Now see, I don't want to just make this thing a Haitian issue, but it's just that they occupy the largest amount of immigrants in the Bahamas, it appears. But Haiti is also a British colony. It was also a French colony. The language. So this never applied to anyone from French colonies. The constitution states that anyone residing in the Bahamas who were citizens of British or former British colony. That's called this Nationality act is called the British Nationality Act. Not the French, not the Chinese, the British part of the British colony. [00:34:14] Speaker B: Phenomenal contribution, my brother. We gotta go. Calls are lit up. Thank you so much. [00:34:18] Speaker C: I appreciate the commentary. This is Guardian Radio Today, 96.9 FM, right here in Nassau, Bahamas. Gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back. When it comes to burgers and flavor. [00:34:32] Speaker A: You already know he's the king. And he's the king of crunch, the master of flavor. 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And I always appreciate him being here with me. You know, he was off on a sabbatical dealing with family situations, and he has returned. And I know you men, you want to crucify us because Gabby is in here. But Gabby should be joining us on Sunday for remark as well as on Monday. Darvin is not yet certain if he will be available for Monday, but he's welcome to be here as well. We're going to continue the discourse that he has started. So we got to take the next caller. Caller, go ahead. The lines are lit up. Try to keep it as conservative as possible, but it's a hot discussion. Caller, go ahead. [00:37:27] Speaker A: Good afternoon, Garth, and good afternoon. Hey, buddy. [00:37:30] Speaker B: I'm a good man. [00:37:32] Speaker A: All right, all right. Fully appreciate the conversation. I'm still listening in. God for you to pick up where the conversation left off yesterday. Right. Because we have some discussing to do on that end. [00:37:46] Speaker C: But, but why go ahead, my friend. Are you listening? [00:37:50] Speaker A: But while we are here at this juncture of the discussion, and I, I hope I can reserve the benefit to contribute when you switch gears into the deeper aspect of immigration. This, this aspect, a very good exchange, darling, between yourself and, and President Lionel of the Bahamas Contractors Association. Right. Sorry, Leonard. LEONARD So my apologies, but. And those are some of the very important dynamics that you all went back and forward in discussing. In particular, those that you, that you brought up, Darvin and those are some of the things that I would have brought up as well on God's show during another session of the show. Right. In terms of work ethic and work ethic which leads to productivity. Right, Right. David, it is, that's, that's on the, that's on the owner's side of the equation. Right. And that is what the owner will prioritize. The owner of the job or the owner of the project or the owner of the building. That is what they will prioritize also. And you breezed across it and I'm certain you are aware of it. And so I just want to further highlight it because it's a part of what I also discussed when the topic came up prior. Right. And it is that not not only the aspect of looking attractive as an industry being construction is one of the dynamics or one of the concerns of behemoths being interested in working that industry, and particularly young behemoth, but our Bahamian young men, all women interested in working laborious hours in the hot sun, in extreme heat. As a matter of fact, I had this discussion with Chevalgo. That's where I had it right. All bohemian men, all women interested in working in long hours, extensive long hours in the heat or in extreme conditions in the construction industry. And the reality on the ground says no. The reality that exists today says no. And that aspect or that dynamic is on the employee, not the employer, because the employer is going to pay. Persons are of the disbelief because it is so incorrect. And I like how you addressed it, Davin, with the previous caller. Persons coming from Hispaniohala, they are not paid less. They are not paid less. That is thought that's a falsehood, that's misinformation. As a matter of fact, many of them are paid more. Many of them are paid more because they are, they are the ones who are prepared to go and work in the hot sun under extreme conditions as construction calls for in order to produce a professional product in a timely manner, and therefore they may come in unskilled. [00:40:55] Speaker C: Anton, you're making some very, very solid points. I want you to call after the news because I know you have much more to share, but it's all very good information. I just want to get these other two callers off the line because, you. [00:41:06] Speaker A: Know, we're going into news, but I look forward to further expanding this conversation, especially on the employees. The biggest challenge. [00:41:14] Speaker C: I like it. Thank you, man. Next caller, go ahead, please. I had you waiting for a while. Go ahead. [00:41:19] Speaker A: Hi, good afternoon. How are you? [00:41:21] Speaker B: Good afternoon. We are well. [00:41:23] Speaker A: Okay. And I can make this kind of. [00:41:25] Speaker C: Quick, but it's going to be good, right? [00:41:27] Speaker A: Hello? [00:41:28] Speaker C: It's going to be good. [00:41:30] Speaker A: Okay, listen. In memory of the honorable Lawson Roko. Here's what I'm saying. With immigration, if you go on a job in any business, any school, even a hospital, and you find people who don't speak a letter English, how could you? How could you even be here? How did you get here? How you get to have that status? Yeah, they said. I love that. That that was the end. That was the concept of. Loftus broke up. Loftus broke up. Listen, that give you the right even if you ain't right. Right? Go and investigate them. How did you get here? And you have a right to go and ask them that. You have a right to pull any truck aside with construction who can speak English. You want a lick? How did you get here? Because you have. In order for you to even be here, at least you can't speak it. You can't understand it. That's. That's my concept and that's my contribution today. [00:42:31] Speaker B: Thank you, my dear. [00:42:32] Speaker C: Appreciate you, my dear. Good. Last caller. Go ahead, caller. [00:42:38] Speaker B: Carly, you have to turn your radio off. [00:42:39] Speaker A: Yes, yes, you're on the air. And I turn the wrong direction. Okay. I was waiting for about 20 minutes. [00:42:43] Speaker B: Yes, sir. We apologize. The phones have been lit up. Yes, sir. [00:42:47] Speaker A: Gentlemen, I appreciate the contribution you're making to nation building. It's RGR and GR. So GR square. That's math. Mr. Roseborough, I am happy that you have volunteer as you. As you indicated that you will provide some assistance. Volunteer. You know, Mr. Rossborough is almost a doctor academically. [00:43:11] Speaker B: Yes. [00:43:13] Speaker A: And. But he has also skills tradesmen in many areas. He is someone that I know. So I. I love that. And the hours that you will give. I will match your hours as well, sir. [00:43:26] Speaker B: I appreciate you. Thank you, sir. [00:43:27] Speaker A: And now your co. Your co host mentioned some things about Renunciation of citizenship, et cetera, et cetera. I would like him to do some research and come back and clarify that. [00:43:39] Speaker B: Okay. [00:43:40] Speaker A: I would also like to have the proper link to the constitution so I can add it to my website because I'm actually, I'm promoting Guardian Radio because it's a very comprehensive station. And as of yesterday, I put a link on my. One of my websites for Guardian Radio and I'm linking all my sites together. So once you get to one, you get to the other so that we will be very much informed. Informed about the rights of citizens and also the observation or the surveillance that we should also take to protect the homeland, so to speak. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Thank you, sir. [00:44:18] Speaker A: Appreciate you all the best until. And keep on doing what you're doing. [00:44:20] Speaker B: Have a great day. [00:44:21] Speaker C: I really appreciate the commentary. Let me just go through some of these texts really quickly. I don't know if Darvin wants to these. I'll read the first one. It says, greetings goth guardian. That man was educating behemoths properly in our country. Why did you cut him while we entertain people? Nonsense from frequent. Next person says quite lengthy here. Good morning. Is this a problem? I hire you, you move in my house. You bring your entire family. Your entire family's eating off of me. Me, I'm going broke. You then network your family to get jobs over my family. And I then kick. And then you kick me out of my house because there's more of you than me 1. And I end up, I would say on the street, it is not a fair, it is a reality. Okay? That's what that person had to say. Goes on to say, we have more than enough Bahamian contractors and construction workers. These people come from Haiti. Cause Haiti with absolutely no skills, so they assume they're not skilled people. And so we don't need a ton of unskilled people who are hostile, entitled and lawless to teach how to do work when we have tons of our own out of jobs. Most foreigners are middle class and rich now, while most immigrants are poor and suffering and living on the streets at this point because we're loving other people more than we love ourselves. And again, ask yourself. Fifty years ago, we were on our way to prosperity. Are we on our way to prosperity now or expiring and despair because south fatherless children are on the streets committing crime. Too many foreigners are taking. [00:46:09] Speaker A: Our land. [00:46:09] Speaker C: Our beaches, resources and jobs, meanwhile destroying our economy and our natural resources. Why did the Dominican Republic separate from Haiti? Is it because living with them was easy, economical and prosperous? You can't let a robber break in your home, kick you out, live for free for years, and then burn it down. Our boat is too full and it's going to sink because of this. Another question. When we Bahamians end up in Haiti waters, what did they do? When they come into our waters, what do we do? Roll out the red carpet and pull out. Okay, really a little strong this guest. Okay, let me ease up on you a bit because you got everything happening for you. [00:46:52] Speaker A: We got a caller. [00:46:53] Speaker C: Yeah, but I gotta try to get this out. Great show. As usual, it's unattractive because the sun is hot. Caller, you got one minute. Darvin wants to hear what you got to say. [00:47:04] Speaker A: Hi, gentlemen. Go ahead. [00:47:05] Speaker B: Nico, how are you? [00:47:08] Speaker C: You want to call me after news? I know it's not going to take one minute. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Well, getting through is a nightmare. I just wanted to. Let me just start. I'll try to call back the. The order of the day. Right now there's been a lot of discussion in regard to all of these variables in regard to immigration and the wild wide spectrum. Right now what we got to be concerned with is the amount of illegals here. Now you see all this information on. In the newspaper about knocking, you know, these shanty towns down and everything else, and we served them with eviction notices and the whole gambit. Great, fine. Where is immigration? Where is immigration grabbing the illegals that are there and deporting them and telling the Bahamian people this is what we're doing right now in terms of the work, that the people are coming in, they're needed, That's a whole different story. [00:48:03] Speaker B: Sure. [00:48:03] Speaker A: But right now it's going there. Drain the swamp. Get them out. Have no. Absolutely. Don't you know I got nine children here? I got this, that and the other. You're here illegally. The law says you're here illegally. You gotta go. But knocking down shantytown so they can move somewhere else? Come on, man. [00:48:22] Speaker C: I like it. They'll call me back after the news. [00:48:25] Speaker A: You know, you can legislate all you want, but until you enforce the law, stop talking and get the. The law enforced. That's it. You're illegal, you gone. [00:48:33] Speaker C: All right, I appreciate it, man. [00:48:35] Speaker A: All right, I'll call back. Good. [00:48:36] Speaker C: Darvin, you're. You're a fan. Good day, Goss, as usual, a great show. It's great to hear you and your sidekick Darvin back together again as GND G&D live in full effect. Keep up the great work of informing the Bahamian people. We hope we're Doing a great job. I want to give our thanks to Kermit here on the producers board. This is Guardian Radio today 96.9 FM. We got to hear the news so we can talk about it. You'll be right back. [00:49:21] Speaker B: This is Guardian Radio 96.9 FM streaming. [00:49:25] Speaker A: On guardiantalkradio.com and the Guardian radio app. Nassau, Bahamas. Running low on summer funds. [00:49:39] Speaker C: Squeeze every drop of fun out of. [00:49:41] Speaker A: Your summer with a Fidelity person alone. From backyard upgrades to. [00:49:44] Speaker B: To family getaways. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Fidelity is here to help. Call 356-7764 today. [00:49:52] Speaker C: Fidelity. [00:49:55] Speaker A: We're good for you now. Let me see now. 326 etic. Hello. Hello. This. This Epic E Battery. This was bu. Yeah, you're selling tires now on Wolf Road too. Praise the Lord. It's about time I left Fox Hill and Fire Trail. It's too far that ay all. They open Monday to Friday, 7am to 7pm on Sunday and holiday 8am to 4pm My brother Sam, he's a hacker and he could go right there and get fix up. [00:50:29] Speaker C: Call us at 326epic. [00:50:30] Speaker A: We ship also to the family island. Until the philosophy which hold one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned. Everywhere is war. It's a war that until they're no longer first class and second class citizens. [00:51:20] Speaker C: Everywhere is war, war, war. I don't think many behemoths can identify with war other than on television or maybe on the news. We see. We see wars in foreign lands. But to say we have an outright war, an outright revolution, I don't think we've ever witnessed such. But right here at Guardian Radio 96.9 FM. Guardian Radio Today, that's where we are sitting. I am Garth Maynard Roseborough. My friends call me G. Maynard Roseborough. They must think I'm important. [00:51:55] Speaker A: But. [00:51:55] Speaker C: But if you like G, then you call me G. If you like Garth, you call me Garth. Just, you know, just pray for me and pray for the blessing. I'm sure Darwin would require the same. [00:52:06] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:52:07] Speaker C: We're having a crazy morning in terms of phone calls. I know your calls are there. The text lines are also gone viral and so we have not even given out the phone numbers but once. It means that many of you are familiar with with calling the show and we do appreciate you. You did ask for this show yesterday and as Antoine said, he would have liked a continuance of yesterday. But I find Darvin Russell, that most if not all of our shows are never fully request for us to continue these conversations. And so the truth about our shows I do believe, Darvin Russell, is that we just simply want to open the mind, stretch it just a bit further and allow some new thinking to take place. And we do understand that the new thinking may not necessarily come from us. It may actually come from you, the callers. And this is why we try to get to the phone lines as quickly as possible so that we can share the opportunity to share the way you think. Now I see the phone lines are lit up, but I want to give a little bit of respect to my text texters here. If I can just get rid of three or four of them before I go to the phone line. So if you're calling and you feel that you're consuming too many minutes, I'll invite you just to hang up and call back. But I do see your calls on the line and let me take the first text quickly. Our best show ever. We need change. The analogy by most local contractors is based on the myth that there are no Bahamians at entry level interested in the construction industry. Hence we have to import foreign labor. Ask them why they didn't apply for a work permit for the worker. Instead someone else applied for his work permit and the worker did not work for his rightful employer, but he worked for them. Isn't that an offense? It's more the country is in a big mess. That's the first text. Listen, talking about war. I witnessed a Haitian owned business doing everything illegal. They witnessed homeless man to kick rocks as they took his little car washing business by opening a car wash right in front of their bar door during the day and then threatened to burn down the Bahamian business. Okay, this is a bit aggressive, isn't it? The business owner of him that patronizes the homeless man. If they were humble, appreciative and not entitled free lotus living rent, mortgage and utility while we Bahamians pay taxes to death then there would be no problem. Get awarded they said. Not rewarded. Awarded. While we Bahamians get penalized and degraded too much injustice. So this is war where we the Bahamians are ready to fight for our tanks. Our constitution is being disrespected by the treasonous thieves, they say. Okay, that's another text. I'm reading a text. It says I strongly agree with your last caller. Demolition of shantytowns only make illegals move to other areas and rebuild. It makes no sense. This government is not serious about the Bahamian people's well being. Good day brothers. Goffin Garvin, excellent talk show again today the legal immigration circumstances for citizenship is outrageous in the Bahamas because it is illegal. And we will vote them out asap. Restore the integrity of our Bahamas for our inheritance. Yes, we can. Bahamas, stand up from Grand Bahama. We are listening. Well, we appreciate you people in Grand Bahama. Let's take a call, I think, and then we'll get back to the remaining text. Go ahead, caller. [00:56:04] Speaker B: Caller, you're on the. [00:56:05] Speaker A: Hey, Garth, I got through again. I guess I should play the lottery today, too. [00:56:08] Speaker C: Okay, man, give me your best minute, if you could. [00:56:11] Speaker A: Yeah, not a problem. I'm gonna get onto the government's issue this. If the government is mandated by the people when they're elected to do the people's work, when the people tell them what to do, they are to do it, providing that it's not illegal now for government to say there isn't a crisis when the entire country or virtually all of the country is saying there is a crisis, do something about it. It's a matter of enforcing it. Why are you belaboring it and then listening to one of your texts? Great point. You've got individuals that are bringing or hiring illegals without getting the work permit. There is. As soon as that's done, immigration. Once these people, they catch them at the employer's place. You know, working for an employer, doing it illegally, the employer must be dragged before the courts and be fined the $6,000 per illegal immigrant that is there. These illegal workers that are going to the labor board, taking their employer to work when they're both conducting illegal activities. So they're tying up the legal system. They're doing all sorts. We have to start from ground, the ground zero. You find the illegal and you ship them out, period. And then you go to the other variables that you do it. You can't combine it all, but it's on the onus of the government of the day to do their job. Demolishing the shanty towns. Great first start. But you have immigration in there. They don't have their papers. You lock them up and you deport them and you do it. And then you send out a message, don't come here. If you're illegal, you're gone. Simple as that. Then you move to the next step. [00:57:55] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:57:56] Speaker A: You cannot pay petty politics with the livelihood of us Bahamians and our system and causing us to go broke because the. The schools are full of children. Be it if they're here legally or illegally, you can't do it. [00:58:12] Speaker C: Well, we appreciate it. [00:58:12] Speaker A: So figure out what you want to do and get it done. But do not insult the intelligence of this Bahama land saying there is no crisis. You gots to be joking. [00:58:22] Speaker C: Hey, we appreciate the call. All right, my friend, let's take the next caller. Go ahead, quickly. Call her. [00:58:28] Speaker A: Yeah, quickly. I actually wrote down on my phone what I want to say so I can move a bit more swiftly now that you're on the part that I really wanted to talk about. God. There's a misinformed assumption habitually repeated by callers and texts into the. Into the talk shows, identified sometimes as clean the swamp or get rid of illegals or the government needs to do their jobs. [00:58:53] Speaker C: Okay, break it down for us. [00:58:55] Speaker A: Right, That's. That's what I'm going to do right now. [00:58:57] Speaker C: Okay, go ahead, quickly. [00:58:58] Speaker A: If we're having an honest and intelligent discussion based on facts and realities. One, the Bahamas government led by Mr. Davis and his two cabinet ministers, because it wasn't just the current one who just took office in immigration recently. Right. Further supported by the Royal Bahamas Defense Force, the Department of Immigration and the US Post Guard, just as important, has done and continues to execute bohemian laws in an exemplary way. They're doing a spectacular job repatriating undocumented migrants to the tone of 15,000 and counting. More, more illegal migrants have been repatriated by this administration than at any time or by. [00:59:47] Speaker C: So. So. [00:59:48] Speaker A: So your administration in recent history. [00:59:50] Speaker C: So your point. The point is that this current government has done better than the other former government. [00:59:55] Speaker A: Listen, I'm asking. [00:59:57] Speaker C: I'm asking the question. Yes, that's your point. Okay. [01:00:01] Speaker A: And so that's point one. [01:00:03] Speaker C: And so what that allows Anton with. That allows Anton. It allows a variable. And here's a variable for you. Then comes. Then comes the opposition who says to you that because of COVID because of that pandemic situation, because of the hurricane, situations were different. What I do try to do on the show, Anton, and this is why I don't. I don't get deeply into the political performance at this particular time, because if you're going to deal with the issue itself, this is not an issue just of the last six, seven, eight years. This is an issue from the 19, from the 1960s. And as a matter of fact, Haitians have been coming here from the 1800s, if you really follow your history. Well, and so what I'm attempting to do is to get a fundamental understanding as to what is the cause of the situation. And if there is a solution, does that solution exist. I appreciate your sentiments. However, I'm not going to disrespect you. [01:00:57] Speaker A: I'm not finished my point. [01:00:59] Speaker C: I need you, I need you to finish though. So I got 30 seconds. My lines are lit up, my text lines are lit up. And I want to respect as many people as possible. So go ahead, Quickly, go ahead. [01:01:09] Speaker A: 15,000 repatriations exceeds any tradition over the last 30 years. Attempts and repatriation. Right. And if you want to talk about the former administration, God, they had a situation called Dorian down there on Abaco. Right. They mismanaged that. [01:01:29] Speaker C: But once again, what I'm saying to you is that you're giving yourself a room for opinionated statements. You may be factual, but it could also be opinionated. So I don't want to get into that battle today. Anton, you know I love you, respect you, but I gotta let you go right now. Let me take the next caller, please. Call it. Go ahead. [01:01:45] Speaker B: You're on the air, caller. You have to turn your radio off. [01:01:47] Speaker C: Caller call, go ahead. Okay, let me take another call. Go ahead, call her. [01:01:52] Speaker A: Yes, good. Good evening to you gentlemen. [01:01:55] Speaker B: Good day. [01:01:56] Speaker A: I, I just wanted to be into this conversation because there were, there were a lot of things that were said and I, I agree with most of them. But I think we are missing out on the persons, I think, who are really responsible for this mess and that is the government. What is so sad is that just the other day in the paper it was said that the government was destroying the shanty towns, Right? And we know that for the most part the persons who occupy the shanty towns are some poisons in that area who are legal, but they're harboring illegal immigrants. And then I heard that the government, it was said that the government was saying all of those who homes were destroyed, who were in the shiny times and home were destroyed, that they could reach out to the government and the government has those poisoned and houses and what is said to be an undisclosed location. In other words, you know, I don't know where they are, but they are out there. And I'm wondering if these people are being rewarded for doing something illegal in our country. How is it that the government could tell social services they must help these people at the tone of $1,200? Right. And these people are illegal or they came here illegally. How is it that Bahamian people are never afforded that opportunity? Even if we look back to Hurricane Dorian, the Bahamian people were always left out. There were always people from that, from south who was taken care of then and who's still being taken care of now. Why is it that the government is Complicit in this situation talking about why we can't get no results but we cannot get no results when the persons who are in our parliament determined not to get no results. They said about couple plane loads come from Haiti every I think we call 2A. I could be, I stand to be correct but they said the plane is to be full coming from Haiti. Tell it even affecting the taxi drivers. Who said that these people now don't even catch taxis. They go to the hackers and they you know therefore putting the Haitian in a desperate situation putting the Bahamian taxi driver in a desperate situation to make money. But I want to know why is the government doing this to the Bahamian people? [01:04:42] Speaker C: Well let's see if someone else wants. [01:04:43] Speaker A: The Bahamian people be the first thing on their agenda. Everything is supposed to be about the Bahamas. [01:04:49] Speaker C: Okay. [01:04:50] Speaker A: Then a government comes on the platform and the social media platform, another platform and say who who they are and who they will be taken care of to the end then is what it means is that we as behemoth now we have to wonder where taxpayer pays money going. Okay, where is it going? Is it going? [01:05:10] Speaker C: Well, you asked a question. I'm going to go to the lines and I'm going to see if someone else has the answer. Thanks for your call. Let me take another caller please go. [01:05:17] Speaker B: Ahead calling on the air. [01:05:18] Speaker A: Yes, good day God. [01:05:19] Speaker C: Hey, good day man. [01:05:20] Speaker A: Good day to your guest. [01:05:21] Speaker C: That's not a guest, that's a co host Darwin Russell. [01:05:24] Speaker A: Okay, okay. Darvin Russell. Yes, Bahamas Nationality Act. What does the word nationality mean? [01:05:33] Speaker C: Go ahead. [01:05:34] Speaker A: What is the meaning of nationality? [01:05:36] Speaker C: You tell us citizenship, you're dealing with a sovereign, sovereign state. But go ahead we're listening to you. [01:05:42] Speaker A: Look in your passport what nationality they got the Bahamas, right? See the artifice that was used on 5th July 1973 is trickery to deceive a people. And we are following something that Rooney when he lost his case at the Privy Council did not follow in trying to make his case. He used the present constitution to try and make his case. He lost his case. Right? God. Okay, okay. He did not use Bahamas nationality activism called everybody trying to say that that law is good law but they need to think again. You know they meant think twice like Michael Jackson say in Islam. Okay, when we look at what is happening the chairman of the PLP comes out talking about the taxi cab and all of that for that boss, Mr. Foreign affairs you and making decisions on who should be behemoth who should get citizenship. You understand? You see where I'm coming from God. [01:06:49] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [01:06:50] Speaker A: And he is a learned lawyer. Been to the best law school. Him and the member of Parliament from Cat island and Rumpke, I don't know, I don't recognize and reckon I'm representing. That is what he is, too. They call themselves attorneys now, as to what Nico was saying, check them when they meet them in shantytown or whatever. Don't break them up. They breaking the law on both sides of the law, on the jobs as employers and employees. Charge them, process them, send them out. Now for what? What was said about 15,000 of them being expatriated. God tell, I'm done. I want you to get a breakdown from your government and from immigration. Just from January to now, it's only been 47 months they've been in office. One more month will make four years. And you divide 15,000 by 47 months, you will get 319amonth. I didn't want you to go back to January and tell me it was consistent that 319people expatriated just from January to now. So stop just blowing these figures. About 15,000. You all talk about misinformation. We ain't got no time to play. Tell the chairman of the PLP we want to hear from him. [01:08:10] Speaker C: It's a serious. [01:08:12] Speaker A: And the passport, the debacle is carrying on with them getting these false. These false documents coming on the plane. Like they say, God, look, y', all, the women, them coming. They saying a pregnant. They can do a pregnancy test. Swap them when they come in right then. And whoever signs for them coming in the country and if they get lost, lock them up. Whoever signs for these people coming in. You see what I'm saying? [01:08:37] Speaker C: That's a solution. And I appreciate your call. You got the lines all lit up, but I'm telling you. And there should be some citizen to some of these queries, especially when people come to the airport and they turn back and have to return back to Haiti without entry. Maybe they have those figures, but they have not been made available to us. [01:08:54] Speaker B: And they certainly will. [01:08:54] Speaker C: And you speak with freedom of information. It gets complicated, but we have to continue to seek the solution to the situation. Next call on the line. Go ahead. [01:09:04] Speaker A: Hey, Davin and Gas, good afternoon. [01:09:06] Speaker C: Hey, Jeff, what's happening? [01:09:08] Speaker A: All I'm going to say is I'm hoping that the persons that is listening to these talk shows that is a part of government, because we know many of them listen onto these talk shows, especially Guardian radio. I'm hoping that they're really Hearing the voice, voices of the Bahamian people that care about this country. You talk about there's no crisis in this country. There's a crisis. Two examples of questions that I've been asking for quite some time. You know, the Bahamian taxpayer has been bearing the brunt of this whole exercise as it comes down to migration and illegal migration into this country. You talk about repatriation of these persons back to Haiti in particular, because that is the largest group apparently that comes here. The question that has always been asked but has not been answered is first and foremost, what is the Haitian government doing to help the Bahamas government to quell the influx of, I mean, the departure of their persons from their shores to this country? What is the answer from Haiti? [01:10:12] Speaker C: That's a good question. [01:10:13] Speaker A: Secondly, what is the. How are we being compensated for returning these people, repatriating them back to Haiti, whereas it is at our expense. But it seems to be there's no answer from Haiti paying for these persons to come back to recompensate the Bahamian people for the money spent. You see, these are the nonsense with. I am very happy the gentleman talked about knocking down shantytowns and people relocating from one shantytown, going elsewhere. The thing is, we have a issue where the laws are not being fulfilled in terms of the different agencies doing what they're supposed to do to the maximum effect that they can. And that is when you go in here, every person in these shanty towns, you supposed to have an idea who these persons are. Are they documented legally here or if they're illegal, are you repatriating them or what is the exercise? Thirdly, then fourthly, for those persons in the shantytown, knowing that these persons are there illegally and the part of not speaking a liquor English but here, but holding our documents, I wouldn't even go to that extent because as far as I'm concerned, that's treasonous. How could they have our documents and can't speak English? Are you saying that it's not a requirement? How can you swear allegiance to a country in English if you can't speak English? All of these are relevant questions that have been asked, have been no answers forthcoming. We have a country to protect. We have a country to build, and definitely we cannot build a country with two nations within this one nation where there's a division. We have to fix this. [01:11:53] Speaker C: Thank you so much. Thank you, MAN Next caller, go ahead, please. [01:11:56] Speaker A: Yes, good afternoon, Garth. Good afternoon to Garvin Russell. [01:11:59] Speaker C: Yeah, man, we appreciate you, sir. [01:12:00] Speaker A: You know, the thing is, some Callers, I think Anton was given some anecdotal BS and he takes too long to express himself. But what I want you to do and you, I want you in Garvin to do spiel, do a show. Because my heart goes out for the Haitian people. And so anyone who's saying get rid of all the Haitians, we know that's bs, right, Garf? Okay, Some of them have to be integrated. But here's why we're saying we didn't listen to anybody in the geopolitical arena. The government could pass the Shantytown act to abolish, not demolish, abolish squatting, make it illegal to squat on our land. And God, did you know that in the Haitian constitution, prior to the US Invasion was illegal for foreigners to own land? And that was one of the main reasons America ran into Haiti in the guise of fostering them into some stability, like economics, building infrastructure, education, all these different things. But they was really after Haiti for its resources and its land. And so they stormed the parliamentary building. I can't remember everything verbatim, but they forced them to change their constitution. I think it was Woodrow Wilson. What I'm saying is this is what they did. And so there's a reason for that. So do a show on why Haiti is the way it is. And then you remember with Gene Boychan Aristide, he said he was kidnapped. And so then remember this now, when he started to give speech, he fall in line after meeting with Bill Clinton. But remember he's saying how much money was paid in restitution. So Haiti was forced to deal with France in order to after independence, right. To borrow money from them and pay them back at an exorbitant rate. And John Pernar said, EE Gene issued a statement like saying $21 billion was paid. But then now you look at the dilemma what happened? And so the government here is not willing to fix. I'm not hearing any. As far as repatriation. Those numbers are not gospel because there's no Freedom of the Information act on work permits. And none of us. What no one is talking about the numerology. There's 12 million nations. Nobody's looking on the ground at which the repercussions are affecting the average, everyday bohemian. So you know they're going to cry this. A strong man will cling on to anything. All right, so really, France and America is responsible for the Haitian conditions. And that's what you need to do. You can find information, guys. The whole world needs to know what they did and why Haiti is the way it is. But then they look to have economic fallout within the third world sub region and create instability because they will never really, if you look at American foreign policy, you will see that they were never really interested in and really helping the Caribbean. You know, when you look at Puerto Rico, when you look at Haiti, we all naive in these conversations. And so this is not going to be a simple fix because this is the way they want it. [01:14:33] Speaker B: Can I. Can I ask you a question? I'm curious because I struggle sometimes with. I think we vacillate sometimes as a country between very draconian solutions to this problem. And then I think on the other extreme, very soft salute could be a very. A very troubling condition. Do the Haitian people bear any responsibility for either the plight that they face in their homeland or the conditions with which they are living in our country? [01:15:07] Speaker A: The conditions they live in in our country. [01:15:09] Speaker B: Right. [01:15:09] Speaker A: But the thing is, they would be. I wouldn't put the onus on Haitian people in Haiti because I. Because I know the geopolitical papalization that goes on. That's why I want you and God to do a show on the whole chronology from the US invasion pre their independence under the great revolt in Saint Domingue. All right? And so they apply here. I could blame them because even though they are looking for a better way of life, let's look at other demographics that are coming here. And then the government using this as a political tactic against the people and creating contention that never existed before. So you and I know the Texan gave a great chronology. Or if you let someone in your yard, they're in your door now they're in your fridge. But you Bahamian people are their worst enemy because you could sit back and talk all you want. What I'm saying is, America, what is our foreign policy? These imbeciles have no foreign policy because they don't protect the Bahamian people. We might be minute. Why are you playing around with a numerology of 12 million people? Haiti has more people than Cuba now. I think maybe a point, something of a million. But what I'm saying is this, this is something that they should pay attention to just simply by the numbers. We could have the other demographics come in to do the labor work. Even if they come in to do the labor work, we still need them to be accounted for. We just can't say, hey, come in illegally, get a work permit, and then relate to what Anton was saying. I would like to debunk that because Haitians are paid basically good Here. Right, but the question is construction company owners take advantage of them, but they don't pay national insurance and they don't pay them for all the time overtime pay and holiday pay. I notice. I know guys who's Haitian who hire be Haitian who don't pay them holiday don't. Guess this month I on the ground. [01:16:44] Speaker C: I wanna. You're going into a whole long list of situations. [01:16:48] Speaker A: What I'm saying is what we should be talking about when it relates to the migrant issue. Well, once again, legislation can fix this. [01:17:01] Speaker C: Which you said to me earlier. [01:17:03] Speaker A: America forced them to change their constitution, which relates to. Larry, foreigners. [01:17:08] Speaker C: You're a little emotional, bro. Listen, that's what I'm saying to you again, you're going down a rabbit hole. I'm not saying you're talking nonsense, you're talking sense. What I'm saying to you, you know, this is a conversation in and of itself. I got my lines lit up. I'm. I'm trying to give as much respect as I could because I realized that we got to do a fall off of that. That's all. I'm simply saying because time is upon us. And so I appreciate you make great contribution. We gotta just take a break, bro. We gotta cool it down just a little bit. It's Friday and I even want to end this program today with one of them gospel songs, those famous gospel sounds like Jump for Joy or maybe the Ramming Brothers, who can Fill them shoes. But come on, man, we gotta get there. And so let's take a quick break, folks. This is Guardian Radio today 96.9 FM, right here in Oaksfield in Nassau, Bahamas. We'll be right back. [01:17:58] Speaker A: Miss a war that until they're no longer first class and second class citizens of any nation until the color of a man's skin. Shop early to get your nays uniform centers. Buy 4, get 1 free. Sale pre monogrammed and regular school shirts, dry fit and cotton garden polos, jumpers. 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We're moving more quickly, more expediently and you know I came into the Space Studio and I'm paying for my sins because I said Darvin, I just want you to launch the program with definition and the phone lines have been lit up ever since. Darvin, I have not even given my launch for today. I've not even directed this conversation today and just respectfully have allowed you to allow it to take its course. And I do believe that we're gonna have to take this conversation to Sunday, Sunday at 5 to 6:30 for remark because there's no way we're going to get to where I would have wanted to take us to get a Full understanding of this immigration situation, but rightly so. The lines are still lit up. I got my text lines lit up. And so, people, as you call in, please, I need you to learn the art of brevity. [01:22:11] Speaker B: Brevity. [01:22:11] Speaker C: Just, just, just give me your brief points in 20, 30 seconds. I know you like to talk. I like to talk. I like to hear you talk. But guess what, man, we got to get out of here. So next caller, go ahead, please. [01:22:23] Speaker A: Yes, you know what I say is that we have both legal and illegal immigrant. Legal and illegal immigrants. Patient problem. What we need to fix that is a CSME type situation, like an EU type situation. You will come. You would work, you understand, citizenship to do that. You understand me? So, so, so, so what do you need to have Haiti. Haiti's problem is. That is a diplomatic problem. You need our diplomatic assistance. [01:22:52] Speaker B: Thank you, sir. [01:22:54] Speaker A: They'll always need to migrate. [01:22:56] Speaker B: Appreciate your contribution. [01:22:57] Speaker A: So. And even if they, if they don't fix that, that the problem there, the CSME would help it, you know what I'm saying? Now we get Jamaica and other nations that come here. You know what I'm saying? You know, and to the caller that says that, that, you know, construction workers, he paid a construction worker $2,000. He didn't say that was a contractor. There's ain't no construction worker. Carpenter make $2. [01:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think that example was of an illegal migrant, though. Yeah, but fair point. [01:23:26] Speaker A: And then, and then, right, I'm in the construction field right now. I'm training masons and helpers because we come mason masons. Now. You understand me? [01:23:35] Speaker B: I do. [01:23:36] Speaker A: So, so why neighborhoods don't. We don't need to be jailing our youth and dog. But we need Haitians or immigrants to work. You see, you know that the immigrants benefits. The people who have, the store owners, they see all those numbers, you understand, that's who it benefits, you know, thank you, sir. But. But then we need to take care of our own. I don't have no problem with them coming here and working, like I said, to see us any situation, you know what I'm saying? We can go that too. Same way. Okay. [01:24:00] Speaker B: Thank you, sir. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Anyway, thank you. [01:24:02] Speaker C: Beautiful call. Next caller, go ahead, please call. Go ahead. You're on the line. [01:24:07] Speaker A: Yes, thank you. [01:24:09] Speaker B: You have to turn your radio off. [01:24:11] Speaker C: Okay. Turn your radio down or turn it off for me. But welcome, man. Welcome. First time caller? [01:24:15] Speaker A: Yes. Okay. That this crisis we have is a woman. That is not the, the, the Haitian who come. That's our government problem. It Is you see if the government over there. [01:24:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:30] Speaker A: Okay. One. Because when they come, they're looking for a better way of life. Yes. And if they could find an easy way of life, such as work, live, they could take advantage of it. Look at my hospital. Look at my organic. Look at the. The streets. See, I live in the community. One who in the community could. Could talk. See, the government really can't talk because they get the complaint. But they don't live amongst these people. These people have a serious crisis. If you look at the TV and they have their war, you see how they fight. We don't have that crisis. That's the spirit. We have a spiritual problem. Not a physical, spiritual. Until we realize, you know, it's spiritual, not physical being over here, we have to face this crisis with Jesus. [01:25:15] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:25:16] Speaker C: Thank you so much, my brother. All right, you got a beeping sound. Go ahead there. Next caller, please. [01:25:22] Speaker A: Hi. Good day. Hey, good day. [01:25:23] Speaker C: How are you? [01:25:24] Speaker A: I'm. I'm calling again, right? There need to be an immigration. [01:25:31] Speaker C: You know, I gotta laugh, right? You gotta be laughing. Go ahead. [01:25:34] Speaker A: There need to be an immigration law passed in parliament called the honorable losses Roca law. Listen, if you come to the hospital, you're going to get help. But if you can't speak English or you don't understand English, listen, I need to finally investigate you, all right? Same thing on this construction job, right? There need to be a law. If you cannot speak English or can't understand English, have the right, the immigration officers need have the right to go investigate you. If you come in school and use a child in grade 10 or whatever, you can't speak English, can't understand English. We let you in there, but I need to file. Go investigate it. Why can't you all this time? That's what I'm saying. Thank you. [01:26:24] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:26:25] Speaker C: All right. Thank you. Thank you so much, my dear. If Russell wants to blame Haitians for their conditions, I guess you're Russell there and here, then blame it on them. Fighting for and gaining their freedom. Everything else is a result of 15,000. Doesn't mean that there's a consistent repatriation exercise. So looking back, January is foolhardy. But yes, the immigration department can respond. Someone is being personal, says that lies are being told here about the repatriation. Bringing in 200 Haitians three times a week right now. And personal planes also. No repatriation happening. Show proof. I witnessed immigration come to the Haitian safe house and pick up no one. They were tipped off and illegals are still there. That's interesting. Fire immigration, clean house reset. You can't hire the rat to watch the cheese Dobbin. That's what they said. Goth and Darwin. I have been waiting for this. I want this matter looked into immediately by the immigration minister. The Haitian mason who was on a laborer work permit held by my mother for a number of years in 2022 he pretended to put in the work permit application but let it lapse instead. Does that happen? David? And started working for another immigration officer by lying that my mother was dead. The next year the labor received his permanent residence. That's quite interesting. Is it legal? They're saying, well listen, in Canada postgraduates get a three year maximum. So I guess after school they can say three years. And then it said is it legal your co host to check birth rate at pmh? Where's the medical record privacy? That's something to look at too. [01:28:20] Speaker B: Medical record privacy would only pertain to if I'm asking for the individual condition. I think for just generic we're asking for data, the aggregate data. So there shouldn't be no privacy that comes into play. If I'm saying how many births were at pmh, the nationality of the mother, if that's something that we track, if it's not something that we track, then it's not available. It's not something we could get whether we want it or not. But I'm not asking about the condition of a patient or anything that's privileged or whatever, but fair commentary. [01:28:51] Speaker C: Well, okay. Good afternoon. The government of the Bahamas need to take pattern after the United States. And I really don't hold no brief for President Donald Trump. But I fully understand that the rationale behind this policy. We already have a very serious immigration problem, primarily by Haitians. Since this is the thing, you know, since this is the main problem, why is the government of the Bahamas allowing the national flight carrier to bring in hundreds if not thousands of of these people into the country without any apparent follow up to ensure that they leave when they're supposed to? To me, the government is complicit in encouraging the increase in illegal immigration. [01:29:31] Speaker B: According to the Minister of National Security. They are. [01:29:34] Speaker C: This is what I'm saying. But you know, I'm just going to read these because you know, these are shows in and of itself, of course, but I'm trying to be respectful Once again, good afternoon, Garth and Darwin. Regarding the immigration situation and providing them after a certain period of time with residency and citizenship, I feel that we should only consider possible residency but not citizenship. Okay, that's A good one. It's not a simple answer because it's not a simple issue. I like that. I think it's a combination inclusive of a quota system. How many can we assimilate further? We need the law to back day 10 years that there is a moratorium on the right to register. The Constitution allows us to pass such a law. This other text that says the government did to pass the regularization better it was riff with fraud. The government did the pass the regularization better it was riff with fraud. That's what they said twice. Okay, we got some callers on the line. Caller, you got to go quickly. Go ahead caller. [01:30:35] Speaker A: Hello. Great. Yeah, I don't know if this was discussed already, but real quick. Typically when it comes to this type of discussion, persons who present these arguments tend to tend to be dismissive and behemoth discuss their affairs as relates to the numbers coming in or whatever. Persons, you know, the talking hits on the radio tend to invalidate the fears that behemoths have. So I mean it seems to be a disingenuous argument because I mean everybody have their biases in person tend to have their liberal view. And lastly, what's the gap measure here? I mean no one's talking about what about a law to visit Article 7 in the Constitution. At the end of the day this is like a circular thing that a revolving door. They go, they get some type of legal whatever and they come back, we send them back, they go what about making it or write a law to make it illegal or if you got caught coming here or persons who come here illegally, they have kids there, they cannot be citizens, might be able to get work permit. Yeah, I mean because to me this is this been going on for decades and decades and there's no stopgap measure to stop a solution problem. Yeah, I don't know if that was discussed already. [01:31:57] Speaker B: No, it wasn't. But you, but you bring up very valid points. I mean I think one of the, one of the things that come up often with these arguments is even with the existing laws that we have on the books, we could do a better job of enforcement. And I think the issue is because we've been so lax with enforcement by the creation of new law, it doesn't lend itself to us enforcing better but it does help. I think what you're alluding the flow because at least it sends a signal that the Bahamas is no longer open for business. But great contribution. Thank you caller. [01:32:30] Speaker A: Exactly my last point before I get hang upon. I think we're sending a Signal to persons who come in illegally. Like an incentive. Once you get here and have a kid and stay under the radar, eventually. [01:32:44] Speaker B: You could get straight. [01:32:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:45] Speaker A: Or whatever. [01:32:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:46] Speaker A: So I'll hang up and listen. [01:32:48] Speaker B: Thank you, sir. [01:32:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Good show. [01:32:49] Speaker B: Great contribution. [01:32:49] Speaker C: Well, thank you so much. Let me take another caller, please. Go ahead, caller. [01:32:52] Speaker A: Hey, good afternoon. [01:32:56] Speaker C: Russell. Yes. [01:32:57] Speaker A: Russell. Good show, guys. Yeah, man. The problem we continue to face is in my opinion, our, the governments. Right. Our governments over the years. Right. It appears that they are demonstrating to us that we need to bring in some more people. But we ain't going to come to you guys to ask you all the way. Right. Okay. We can just kind. We can allow the drama to continue. Right. To just, you know, just to fester and we can just pretend that what you all see, we don't see. Right. But we. Because we really need some more people. But. And if we come and ask y', all, we know you all can say no. Right. This is what I'm getting. See, a government can come to the people level and brag that they. They send off 15,000 people poisons out of this country. Right. But they can't give us an. An amount of how much person in the country legal or even legal. Right. [01:33:59] Speaker B: Yes. [01:33:59] Speaker A: So, so how. How we going to be celebrating about this 15,000 poisons that you might have allegedly sent all of the country despite. We can't. We. We ain't. We ain't seen no record at that. But we don't. But, but, but we don't know how much, how much more probably if it's in the hundreds or thousands of persons who might be in the country legal. We don't know. Because the 15,000 people, 15,000 persons may be a drop in the bucket. [01:34:32] Speaker B: Yes. [01:34:33] Speaker A: To what's really here, really festering on the ground. [01:34:36] Speaker B: Yeah. We don't have any empirical data to say one way or the other who here. And that's part of the vexing problem is we don't have validation on the numbers. [01:34:45] Speaker A: And before I go, right, you guys was a little too a while ago our laws. Right. Because. Hey, hello. [01:34:55] Speaker B: We're listening. [01:34:56] Speaker A: If our laws was being enforced, right, we wouldn't have been having this conversation because I sure you guys could remember growing up in this country mention the fact of immigration. Everybody used to scatter people, the crowd scattered because the fear of being arrested was on the ground for the day. Ain't no fear of being arrested on the ground no more because the people, them that know that there's no enforcement existing in the Commonwealth of The Bamas. [01:35:27] Speaker B: Thank you, caller. [01:35:27] Speaker A: You guys have a nice day. [01:35:28] Speaker C: Yeah, ma', am, I appreciate you. Let me take the next caller. Go ahead, quickly, call it. 30 seconds. [01:35:33] Speaker B: Probably the last call of the day. [01:35:34] Speaker A: All right. And God, I'm going to say this again. There's nothing wrong with Article 7 1. That provision was placed here. We are tourist destination. Imagine a tourist coming here and having, having a baby from the U.S. or from Canada or from the U.K. i mean, that provision is here when we invite persons expatriate here from those particular first world countries. You're saying to me now, if they have a baby, their child don't have a right to register. But in most cases they don't. They go and apply to their consulate or to the embassy and they pick up their children's passport. The only persons, the only persons who always say they can't find their documents are the Haitians. But there's nothing wrong with Article 7 1. So we don't need to try to like we do in something new. When you say that, the politicians laugh because they know our problem. It has been tested, it has been tried at the Privy Council level and they rule in the Bahamian people's favor. It's the Nationality act that is creating the problem. [01:36:40] Speaker C: Well, I appreciate that. We're going to look into that. And that's, you know, like I said Sunday, we'll be here remark 5 to 6:30, Darwin will be here. And we got to continue these in depth conversations. So thank you for the call. Last caller, go ahead, please. Call it that, caller, go ahead. Last caller. Okay, you can clear the board. [01:36:59] Speaker B: All right, that's it for the day. [01:37:00] Speaker C: But listen, man, this, this conversation is something else. Darwin, we got even more text. Let me read these texts here off quickly. There's no fear from immigrants because they have work permits. The few that does not have a permit are afraid. A few go, can you tell me what's the reasoning behind citizenship instead of residency? Why are we creating a voting block? Okay, next one G. When I go into the mall, Arawak Key and even the hospital, it is infested with Haitians and I don't recognize the Bahamas anymore. I am so sick of people defending our growing Haitian population by saying they help black people to gain independence. If you have someone who was a lord, must you say he was an honest drug lord? My estimation, we must have 200,000 to 300,000 Haitians because everywhere I turn it's Haitian. That's interesting. Akipa, let me see that caller just now who said he lives in the community with these Haitians like me. Immigration is ground zero for corruption. We need immigration officers to blow the whistle and read the epistle. You know that's 52 talking, right? The only thing I would believe coming out of the mouth of a politician is if he tells me the sun is shining or it's raining. A key part of the stopgap is passing. Okay, getting a little raunchy there. Let me. Let me ease up a little bit on your 52. Okay, last one here. National insurance is like a Ponzi scheme. We need as much new contributions as possible. Haitians provide that national insurance would cover without them. Listen, folks, Darvin Russell opened up this show today and we ran the river, we ran the gauntlet and the lines were lit up all day. [01:38:50] Speaker A: We. [01:38:50] Speaker C: We didn't get to the foundation of what I wanted to say, and I had little to say. But you've had much to say and that's okay. It's a talk show and we appreciate your time being here today. And I just want to say something here that probably will launch off of this on Sunday if all goes well. We are a Christian nation. That's what we say we are. And the Christians that are in this nations who are in majority in belief system, they read something called a holy Bible. And d. I know you like to talk like this sometime. There's a person in that Bible that we call Father Abraham. You know? You know that person, Darvin? Yes, sir. Oh, Father Abraham. We started off with the name Abraham and then his name was changed to Abraham. Just like how they come here with the last name Jean or Pierre or whatever. And then they change the name and they get it to Johnson or fallacious or whatever. [01:39:45] Speaker B: Right? [01:39:45] Speaker C: Okay, good. But the promises made him to leave the land where he was and to go to another land, a strange land, it says. And if you go and you follow my voice, I will make you into a great number of people. Your generations like the sound of the sea. Like how some people generating around here in these clinics all day long. And so now that they hear legal or illegal, they here, they producing and they prospering. And you know what happened in Egypt? They were there for 400 years and they was producing. So male children had to be put to death. But thank God Moses was thrown into the river. And it was the same Moses who led them out of Egypt to go back to Canaan where Abraham first wed in the land of Haran. And they had to go there and conquer the people of Canaan so they could take their land. I just talk in Bible. I just talk in Bible. But we can get into that on Sunday because we Christian people. So until then, this is Guardian Radio today 96.9 FM right here in the Bahamas. Listen, man, it's Friday. It's the weekend. Let's just jump for joy until I see you again. This is God's Mild Rosemary and Darwin. Russell, we enjoyed your company and we look forward to hearing from you again. Stay tuned for Z Line with Chicago Line.